#153: Inside Exit Five | How to Actually Pull Off a Rebrand with Eli Rubel of No Boring Design

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Jonathan Jones is an NFL cornerback for the Washington Commanders who rose from the undrafted ranks to become two-time Super Bowl champion with the New England Patriots, a businessman, philanthropist, and licensed pilot. In 2019, Jonathan founded the Jonathan Jones Next Step Foundation in 2019, a platform dedicated to empowering youth through education, professional development, and mentorship. The foundation works to alleviate food insecurity, promote women in stem and sports, and to promote professional development in the communities where he lives. Jay and Jonathan talk about investing in the communities they live in, acknowledging the people who helped you become the person you are, and paying that same investment forward to the next generation. Episode Chapters 0:00 intro 1:24 Building local connections 4:25 Jonathan’s mentors and mentees 10:54 Jonathan’s pride in his mentees’ successes 13:04 how Jonathan chooses his causes 14:08 Jonathan’s support for girls and young women 17:19: Jonathan’s passion for flying 19:40 The Next Step Foundation 20:29 Goodbye For video episodes, watch on www.youtube.com/@therudermanfamilyfoundation Stay in touch: X: @JayRuderman | @RudermanFdn LinkedIn: Jay Ruderman | Ruderman Family Foundation Instagram: All About Change Podcast | Ruderman Family Foundation To learn more about the podcast, visit https://allaboutchangepodcast.com/ Looking for more insights into the world of activism? Be sure to check out Jay’s brand new book, Find Your Fight , in which Jay teaches the next generation of activists and advocates how to step up and bring about lasting change. You can find Find Your Fight wherever you buy your books, and you can learn more about it at www.jayruderman.com .…

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Dave and Dan (COO at Exit Five) go behind the scenes of the recent rebrand of Exit Five with Eli Rubel, Founder and CEO of No Boring Design. Eli shares his candid feedback on where partnerships with agencies and marketing teams often go wrong and the challenges of creative work.

They also cover:

How to create a killer creative brief
How well-crafted design can significantly drive conversion rates
The step-by-step process we followed for a successful rebrand

Timestamps

(00:00) - - Intro to No Boring Design and Eli
(07:55) - - Where Agency Partnerships Go Wrong
(10:36) - - Why You Need to Be Blunt About Your Needs
(14:14) - - Using Chat GPT and AI to Create an Effective Brief
(16:17) - - The True Impact of Design
(22:58) - - How to Use Organic Social Media for Advertising
(24:34) - - Why Visual Identity Matters to Brand
(29:08) - - Nailing your Branding Guidelines
(31:48) - - Why You Need to Experiment with Creative
(35:43) - - How to Use Design Resources to Create Leverage
(36:31) - - Getting Work Done: How to Delegate

Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com
Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter
Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/
Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership

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Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly.

Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work?

You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms.

That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle.

AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to:

– Cut down on back-and-forth

– Automate content, research, and reporting

– Eliminate busywork

– Make space for strategy

We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages.

Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful.

Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
Visit hatch.fm to learn more

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#153: Inside Exit Five | How to Actually Pull Off a Rebrand with Eli Rubel of No Boring Design

B2B Marketing with Dave Gerhardt

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They also cover:

How to create a killer creative brief
How well-crafted design can significantly drive conversion rates
The step-by-step process we followed for a successful rebrand

Timestamps

(00:00) - - Intro to No Boring Design and Eli
(07:55) - - Where Agency Partnerships Go Wrong
(10:36) - - Why You Need to Be Blunt About Your Needs
(14:14) - - Using Chat GPT and AI to Create an Effective Brief
(16:17) - - The True Impact of Design
(22:58) - - How to Use Organic Social Media for Advertising
(24:34) - - Why Visual Identity Matters to Brand
(29:08) - - Nailing your Branding Guidelines
(31:48) - - Why You Need to Experiment with Creative
(35:43) - - How to Use Design Resources to Create Leverage
(36:31) - - Getting Work Done: How to Delegate

***

Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly.

Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work?

You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms.

That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle.

AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to:

– Cut down on back-and-forth

– Automate content, research, and reporting

– Eliminate busywork

– Make space for strategy

We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages.

Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful.

Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
Visit hatch.fm to learn more

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24 gün önce53:20

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#234: Messaging | In this episode, Dave sits down with Emma Stratton , founder of Punchy , to break down what great B2B messaging actually looks like - and how to get it right. Emma has worked with hundreds of B2B tech companies to sharpen their positioning, eliminate vague copy, and train marketing teams to write with clarity and impact. They cover what makes messaging actually resonate and how to spot and fix abstract or weak copy. They also dive into Emma’s process for creating message-market fit, doing customer research, and working with execs and cross-functional teams. And BONUS: they spend the last 20 minutes talking about personal development, productivity, journaling, and managing your mental energy to be a better marketer (and human). Dave and Emma also cover: How to go from vague to punchy by writing with specificity and buyer empathy Why most B2B messaging falls flat and how to avoid the “sea of sameness” How to use customer interviews, sales calls, and concrete language to create strong messaging Why writing, meditation, and personal rituals are so important for creative energy Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro to Emma (04:38) - – What makes B2B messaging actually good (08:20) - – Common messaging mistakes (and why "clarity > clever") (11:18) - – Positioning vs. messaging: what’s the difference? (15:31) - – Why it's hard to name great B2B marketing examples (17:55) - – How to sharpen weak messaging and fix vague positioning statements (21:03) - – Simplifying complex products without dumbing it down (25:17) - – How to write for buyers (not just execs) (28:49) - – Using customer interviews and research to build strong messaging (33:27) - – Standing out in a crowded, buzzword-filled market (36:11) - – How storytelling fits into B2B messaging (39:17) - – Messaging advice for early-stage founders and startups (42:32) - – How often should you revisit and update messaging? (44:42) - – Productivity, managing your energy, and staying focused (47:57) - – Journaling, mindfulness, and being intentional with your time (51:52) - – Final takeaways Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly . Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work? You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms. That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle. AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to: – Cut down on back-and-forth – Automate content, research, and reporting – Eliminate busywork – Make space for strategy We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages. Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful. Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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Inside Exit Five: How We Doubled Community Growth in Under a Year (with Matt Carnevale) 1:01:35

27 gün önce1:01:35

1:01:35

#233: Inside Exit Five | In this episode, Matt Carnevale (Head of Community at Exit Five ) joins the team at Circle to break down how we’ve doubled Exit Five community membership and boosted engagement—all by treating Exit Five like a product. He shares our playbook: audience growth, engagement systems, how we use member feedback to shape what we build, and why “curate, don’t create” has been key to scaling. If you’re running (or joining) a B2B community, this is how you make it work. Matt covers: Why we think of community like a product, not just a channel How Exit Five grew community membership over 100% in under a year The systems we use to drive 40% monthly active user engagement The power of “tripwires,” onboarding, and member matchmaking How feedback loops shape what we build Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro to Matt (04:03) - – Exit Five’s approach to community (06:33) - – What it means to treat community like a product (10:33) - – Why audience is the foundation of community growth (13:33) - – How Exit Five builds and converts audience from LinkedIn (16:33) - – Using content tripwires to drive signups (18:33) - – Offers that work: Why we use a 7-day free trial (21:33) - – How Exit Five got started as a paid community (24:33) - – The product mindset: build, test, iterate (28:37) - – Using member feedback to drive product decisions (30:37) - – Real example: member matchmaking feature (32:37) - – Promoting new community features like product launches (35:37) - – How we drive 40% monthly active usage (37:37) - – The value of member-led events and how we do them (40:37) - – Other plays: tagging experts, matchmaking, onboarding (43:37) - – Why self-promo was hurting our community and what changed when we cut it (45:37) - – Final takeaways + advice for small communities (49:37) - – Audience Q&A: re-engagement, matchmaking, content cadence Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly . Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work? You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms. That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle. AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to: – Cut down on back-and-forth – Automate content, research, and reporting – Eliminate busywork – Make space for strategy We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages. Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful. Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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How Marketers Can Be Better Partners with Sales (with Jen Allen-Knuth) 54:20

4 weeks önce54:20

54:20

#232: Sales | Dave sits down with Jen Allen-Knuth , founder of DemandJen. Jen shares her insights from her 15+ years in B2B Sales, from managing a quota to building great working relationships with marketing. Jen and Dave cover: Co-creating content with Marketing and Sales that drives better customer engagement and grows your pipeline How Jen successfully built her audience using video on LinkedIn and leveraged it to start DemandJen How companies should focus on genuine diversity efforts rather than superficial inclusivity Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro to Jen (07:43) - – Why you should have a mentor and how to get one (09:33) - – Sales experiences and becoming a Chief Evangelist (13:04) - – Making the leap from side hustle to full-time (17:31) - – Why your career experiences should be diverse (21:59) - – The shallow impact of diversity panels (26:03) - – How Jen built her personal brand (29:24) - – Creating unscripted content that’s still clear (32:56) - – Being authentic in marketing (37:51) - – Don’t use templates for customer conversations (44:13) - – Strong relationships between product marketing and sales (45:00) - – Being customer-centric (50:22) - – Why you need to be a good storyteller (52:11) - – Challenges of data analysis Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly . Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work? You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms. That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle. AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to: – Cut down on back-and-forth – Automate content, research, and reporting – Eliminate busywork – Make space for strategy We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages. Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful. Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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We Audited 100+ B2B Websites – Here's What We Learned (with Talia Wolf) 53:05

5 weeks önce53:05

53:05

#230: Messaging | In this episode, Matt sits down with Talia Wolf , founder and CEO of GetUplift , to unpack what’s really wrong with most B2B websites – and how to fix it. After reviewing 100+ member-submitted sites from the Exit Five community, Talia shares what she sees over and over again: messaging that’s too focused on the product, poor design flow, and a lack of real customer understanding. Matt and Talia cover: Why most B2B sites focus too much on features and not enough on buyer emotion How to use emotional targeting and customer research to write copy that converts The biggest design mistakes B2B marketers are making (and how to fix them) How to get stakeholder buy-in for website changes Why great websites start with strong product marketing Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro to Talia (03:37) - – Why most B2B websites fail to convert (06:03) - – The common thread across 100+ website reviews from Exit Five members (08:48) - – Why focusing on features instead of emotion kills conversions (11:36) - – What is emotional targeting (and how to actually use it)? (14:51) - – The power of customer research in website optimization (18:13) - – How to apply emotional triggers to your homepage copy (21:42) - – Mistakes B2B companies make with above-the-fold content (24:44) - – Why you should write copy before designing the site (29:05) - – Structuring your site around buyer intent and behavior (32:22) - – How to get internal buy-in for messaging and UX changes (35:39) - – The difference between product marketing and “just copywriting” (38:55) - – The role of hierarchy, visual flow, and CTA placement (42:21) - – When to simplify and when to educate on B2B websites (45:43) - – Final takeaways and practical steps to start improving your site Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly . Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work? You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms. That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle. AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to: – Cut down on back-and-forth – Automate content, research, and reporting – Eliminate busywork – Make space for strategy We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages. Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful. Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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Inside the Minds of Top CMOs: What’s Working, What’s Not, and How the CMO Role is Evolving in B2B Marketing 1:01:09

5 weeks önce1:01:09

1:01:09

#229: Marketing Leadership | In this episode, Dave sits down with Megan Lueders (CMO at Sonatype ), Ido Mart (CMO at Manychat ), and Kimberly Storin (CMO at Zayo ) for a live CMO panel discussion at Exit Five’s Austin marketing meetup. These marketing leaders share what’s working what’s not in B2B marketing today and how the role of the CMO is evolving. Dave, Megan, Ido, and Kimberly cover: What every new CMO needs to know about leading a marketing org How to align with CEOs, CFOs, and key stakeholders to drive business impact The biggest marketing shifts happening right now (and what’s no longer working) How to prove marketing’s impact in the era of efficiency Timestamps (00:00) - – Introduction to the CMO panel (03:45) - – The evolving role of the CMO in 2025 (07:11) - – The biggest challenges marketing leaders face today (10:18) - – How to align marketing with CEOs, CFOs, and key stakeholders (13:53) - – What every new CMO needs to know when stepping into the role (17:28) - – The marketing strategies that are working right now (and what’s not) (21:15) - – Why B2B marketing is more emotional than most people realize (25:45) - – How to prove marketing’s impact in a data-driven, efficiency-focused era (29:27) - – The shift from demand gen to brand-led growth (32:52) - – The role of storytelling and positioning in B2B marketing success (37:07) - – Building a high-performing marketing team and the skills CMOs need today (40:47) - – Key takeaways and final advice for marketing leaders Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly . Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work? You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms. That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle. AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to: – Cut down on back-and-forth – Automate content, research, and reporting – Eliminate busywork – Make space for strategy We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages. Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful. Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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LinkedIn Ads & Strategy for B2B with Anthony Blatner 44:29

6 weeks önce44:29

44:29

#228: LinkedIn Strategy | Anthony is one of the nine LinkedIn Certified Marketing Experts in North America. He’s also the Managing Director of Speedwork , a B2B LinkedIn Marketing Agency, and hosts the LinkedIn Ads Radio Podcast . He and Dave discuss LinkedIn Ad Creative & Consistent Branding Thought Leader Ads & Organic Reach Niche Audiences & Custom Content Nurture Campaigns Expert LinkedIn Ads Tips Timestamps (00:00) - - Intro to Anthony Blatner (08:53) - - Focusing on LinkedIn and Future Expansion (12:18) - - Effective Social Media Advertising and Organic Content (15:42) - - The Overlooked Importance of Creative Content in Advertising (17:50) - - Targeting Personas with Top-of-Funnel Ads (24:06) - - Creating Unique and Targeted Content: Pros and Cons (25:22) - - Lead Generation Strategies for Small Budgets (29:35) - - Effective Funnel Strategies for Small Budgets (33:04) - - Using Paid Advertising and Lead Magnets to Grow Your Newsletter (37:57) - - Building Long-Term Memory with Consistent Branding in Marketing (40:18) - - The Power of Narrow Focus for Audience Growth (43:25) - - Content Planning Based on Sales Cycle Length (45:14) - - Connecting with Anthony Blatner on LinkedIn Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly . Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work? You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms. That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle. AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to: – Cut down on back-and-forth – Automate content, research, and reporting – Eliminate busywork – Make space for strategy We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages. Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful. Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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The B2B Event Playbook: Building Revenue-Driving Events in 2025 54:16

6 weeks önce54:16

54:16

#227: Events | In this episode, Dave hosts a live Exit Five session with Zuddl and panelists Stephanie Christensen (Event Marketing Leader) and Kristina DeBrito (Director of Strategic Events at Iterable ) to break down how B2B marketers should be thinking about events in 2025. From small VIP dinners to large customer conferences, events are making a big comeback—but without a solid strategy, they can be a massive waste of budget. Dave, Stephanie, and Kristina cover: The key metrics to track to prove event ROI in 2025 How to get executive and stakeholder buy-in for your event strategy What’s working in B2B events right now (and what’s not) How to follow up post-event to drive engagement and pipeline Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro to Stephanie and Kristina (03:48) - – Why events are making a big comeback in B2B marketing (07:15) - – The biggest mistakes marketers make when planning events (10:03) - – How to align your event strategy with business goals (12:48) - – The key metrics to track for proving event ROI (16:00) - – How to get buy-in from executives and key stakeholders (19:13) - – What’s working right now in B2B events (and what’s not) (23:29) - – The role of micro-events, VIP dinners, and executive meetups (27:47) - – Sponsoring vs. hosting your own event — how to decide (32:07) - – The importance of post-event follow-up and engagement (35:49) - – Virtual events: lessons learned and how they fit into 2025 strategies (39:42) - – Live Q&A: Expert answers to audience event strategy questions (45:07) - – Final takeaways on making B2B events worth the investment Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly . Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work? You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms. That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle. AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to: – Cut down on back-and-forth – Automate content, research, and reporting – Eliminate busywork – Make space for strategy We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages. Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful. Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

21 weeks önce6:41

6:41

In this episode, we’re delivering another B2B marketing lesson in under 10 minutes. Matthew Carnevale , Marketing Manager at Exit Five, introduces the "Billboard Test," a mental model to evaluate whether your marketing copy can grab attention in an instant. Inspired by how billboards must captivate drivers at full speed, this test helps you refine your ads, social posts, and emails for today’s audience. Matthew shares three key elements of the Billboard Test—concise messaging, eye-catching visuals, and memorability through creativity—and explains how to apply them to make your marketing impossible to ignore. By the end, you’ll know how to capture attention and hold it, even in the busiest of feeds. Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly . Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work? You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms. That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle. AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to: – Cut down on back-and-forth – Automate content, research, and reporting – Eliminate busywork – Make space for strategy We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages. Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful. Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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