Each week on the Dauntless Grace Exchange podcast, Deedra Mager and Megan Hall continue their journey towards becoming wholly integrated. As they grow and learn, they bring tools like the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems therapy model to encourage you in your mental and emotional health. Ultimately, it’s all about connection: connecting to others, connecting to God, and connecting back to yourself.
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As a Dauntless Media podcast, this is a companion to Scott's forthcoming book about losing faith while teaching at an evangelical university. This podcast will feature former students and faculty of Azusa Pacific University. They will tell stories of racism, sexism, hatred towards the LGBTQ community, and early alt-right shenanigans. Other guests outside of the APU world will also be invited to share their experiences. Join the growing Chapel Probation community on Instagram, Discord, and Fa ...
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183: Engaging in Political Conversations (Enneagram 5, Ginger Coakley)
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We brought returning guest Reverend Ginger Coakley to the pod today to discuss how she engages politically as an enneagram 5! We also define what we mean by politics, social justice, and the role the church is called to play.
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Chapel Probation s4: Horny Chapel #3 Keiko Agena Talks Purity and Gilmore Girls
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This week we are joined by a special guest, our dear friendKeiko Agena. Keiko is best known for her role as Lane Kim on the show GilmoreGirls, but she is also a writer, artist, and beloved member of our AAPI artsand activist community in Los Angeles. With her own real-life evangelical pastto draw on, she goes deep in analyzing her Lane Kim role as …
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182: Engaging in Political Conversations (Enneagram 1 and 4)
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Deedra (enneagram 1) and Megan (enneagram 4) talk about how they engage in conversations during the election season, and what things hold them back and what spur them forward.
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Chapel Probation s4- Hannah Lee: Korean American Church, Ski Pants Demon, and Purity Culture Survivor and Artist
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Hannah Lee knew early on that life inside of her Korean American church was far too restrictive for her. And even though she felt that church life was deeply embedded into life as a Korean American, she saw its limitations as a curious, passionate person who valued art and people outside of the church. From her mom trying to exercise demons who wou…
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Chapel Probation s4- The Horny Chapel Episode 2
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In this second episode, we're still introducing ourselves, and we compare our experiences as Asian Americans from different generations and in different kinds of churches. But there are still incredible similarities between our experiences...bad ones, mostly. Scott's experiences as a Gen X-er in the 80's was less intense than Priska's Millenial exp…
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Chapel Probation s4- Marla Taviano Returns to Talk Poem Art Therapy and Terrible Christian Men
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Marla Taviano returns this week to talk about how her latest book of poetry, Poem Art Therapy, can help all women who've been through terrible marriages and divorces in the christian world. Just as her White Girl Learning work reflects Marla's journey as she decolonizes her mind regarding race, Poem Art Therapy reflects her clap back against patria…
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Chapel Probation s4- Clare McIvor- Australian NAR Homeschooling Survivor
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Clare McIvor grew up in the toxic Christian Nationalist movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation. This included all of those damn 7 Mountains, and it forced her to deny all of the natural aspects of her humanity. After fighting to get out, she has educated herself and armed herself with knowledge and courage to fight against that world and i…
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181: Taylor Cassidy, a Black Gen Z Influencer (Diverse Perspectives)
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This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triump…
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Chapel Probation Collab- The Horny Chapel Episode 1
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The first episode of the Horny Chapel, a collaboration with Priska of the Two Horny Goats podcast. We introduce this limited series with a look back at our youth and early adulthood and break down the ins and outs, so to speak, of purity culture. And we talk about where this series will go in the coming episodes. In the end, we hope to help everyon…
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180: Courtney Woods, on Divorce (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4- Sheila Chappelle- Freed-Hardiman Pastor to Deconstruction Mentor
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Sheila Chappelle has come such a long way from being a student at an oppressively high control school that had a wild counter culture. She had to remove herself from this environment and ultimately this religion altogether to overcome her finely honed skills of keeping secrets. But she's overcome that by getting sober and transitioning into her tru…
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179: Kari Morris-Guzman, a Disabled Woman (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4- Seth- Deconstructed Because of Bob Jones III
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Seth survived 2 years at Bob Jones only because he figured out how to actually live life. But this required a significant amount of deception and rides in trunks of cars, so it was just a matter of time before he asked himself if all the effort was worth it. When he challenged the school's racist prohibition of interracial dating, arguing directly …
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178: Shayla Sandberg, a Biracial Adoptee (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4- Peter Hull- The Chapel Probation Champ of Grace College
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We're back with a traditional Chapel Probation episode talking to Peter Hull, a Gen X dude who almost never went to chapel while at Grace College. He only stayed for 5 semesters, but he got a taste of shitty christian higher ed. We talk purity culture and the struggles of finding oneself after faith in the aftermath of Grace College. Here's a link …
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177: Dani Wilson, a Transmasculine Bisexual (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4: Christa Brown- SBC Abuse Survivor and Activist for Justice
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Christa Brown was a victim of horrible sexual abuse as a child by her SBC youth pastor. This took place in what she calls, "Baptistland," and this is the title of her incredible book. She writes unflinchingly at her childhood filled with abuse at the hands of said pastor and her family members, but she also pulls herself out of Baptistland to becom…
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176: Joani Akers & Aseel Thamer, on Refugees in America (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4- Dave Galvan: Pentecostal Worship to a Life of Real Music in Community
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I knew Dave Galvan as a friend and bandmate for many years before I learned that he grew up in a strict Pentecostal church. And I learned in this episode that Dave led worship with a black Les Paul copy at that church. Epic. When you know people outside of religion, you can just live and enjoy life, so I was a little anxious making Dave go back thr…
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175: Kristen Marble, a female pastor (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4- Mark: The Pentecostal to IVCF to War to Goth Club Pipeline
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Ever since I started this podcast, I've wanted my friend Mark to come on to tell his story. But even more has happened since early 2022, so I'm actually glad he finally agreed to come over and do this. It's a story of a common upbringing in high control pentacostalism to the lighter theologies of Inter Varsity Christian Fellowship at the beginning.…
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174: Dr. Larissa Malone, an Afro-Latina (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4 Erica Smith- Sexual Healing After Purity Culture
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Sex educator Erica Smith did not grow up in Purity Culture, but she has learned about how damaging it is for men and women and for society. She has dedicated her life's work to helping people heal from their patriarchal pasts that stunted their development as sexual humans and move forward to explore their bodies and their sexuality. With a deep un…
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173: Vanilda Reyes de Noyes, a first-generation American (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4- Taz Ahmed: Art, Activism, and Islam for Social Justice
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The first non-Christian guest on Chapel Probation! Hear Scott's pal Tanzila (Taz) Ahmed tell her story and talk about her life of advocating for human flourishing. Her poetry will rock you to the core, and you'll hear her performace from the 2016 AAPI Heritage event at the White House during President Obama's last year. And whatever you know or don…
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172: Bethany Abbott on Singleness (Diverse Perspectives)
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Chapel Probation s4 Abraham Kim: Korean PK- Badass Drummer
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When you are the son of a big-time Korean pastor who suffers from narcissism and rage, christianity and life are filled with trauma and despair. But Abraham Kim found music and drums early on to help him deal with life, drumming his response to violence at home and oppression in the church. And he found his way out with the help of Talbot (Biola) a…
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171: Introducing our Summer Podcast Series!
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This summer, The Dauntless Grace Exchange is going to feature stories from people that you may not always encounter. The goal of sharing stories from those outside of the majority is to gain perspective, grow more curious, and stir compassion for people different from us. We hope you stick around all summer to listen!…
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Chapel Probation s4- Episode 100 with traci kato-kiriyama
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If you've read my book, Asian American Apostate, you know how important traci is to me. She's important to a lot of people, really. But she met me when I was still trying to be a Christian, and she helped me become the person I am today. So it makes sense to have her be the guest for the 100th episode of Chapel Probation. You'll hear her story, her…
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Chapel Probation s4- Ross Montgomery
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Ross is the real deal. Solid human who sees all the things we need our White men allies to see. Do I go a little overboard praising him? Sure. Am I sorry about that? Hell no. Anyone who steps away from privilege to engage in the complexities of other peoples' lives is awesome in my book. Throughout Ross's christian life, he challenged assumptions a…
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Deedra and Megan check in with their own parts and get vulnerable about the tension they each feel. Why do our parts war with each other? Can we hold the both/and within ourselves? How can we take care of the parts of us that feel weary or angry? (Also, Megan shares why she's still writing about Taylor Swift on social media, and why she's not stopp…
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Chapel Probation s4- Pastor Trey Ferguson
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Pastor Trey is the author of Theologizin Bigger from Lake Drive Books, and he is a solid human. From a wild college experience at the University of Miami, Trey found himself at a fundamentalist seminary and eventually dropped out. He found a home at a much more open-minded seminary and now is a pastor and social media presence, pushing back at the …
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169: Defense Mechanisms & IFS, part 2
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It's time for part 2! Deedra and Megan jump back into the defense mechanisms of each enneagram type, but this time they correlate them to the protectors and exiles that might be clustered around that defense mechanism. If you missed part 1, you can find that on Episode 168. They also referenced the podcast with Enneagram 8 Hilary Mize: Episode 36.…
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Chapel Probation s4 Lisa Christy (Grove City College)
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The first full episode of Season 4 has Lisa Christy from Grove City College. She got duped into going to this Libertarian and Presbyterian school and ended up staying. She found community in the "rebel" crowd and started a significant sports revolution at the school. Chapel Probation is part of the Dauntless Media Collective Join the …
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168: Defense Mechanisms & IFS
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Deedra and Megan jump back into the defense mechanisms of each enneagram type, but this time they correlate them to the protectors and exiles that might be clustered around that defense mechanism. And, because they are who they are, they couldn't help but get vulnerable about their own protectors and some things they've experienced since learning a…
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Chapel Probation s4- An Introduction to the Podcast
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And we're back. Heading into the 100th episode. This one is #95. We look back on some clips, bits, and songs of the past 3 seasons as we look forward to the shenanigans coming in season 4. Chapel Probation is part of the Dauntless Media Collective Join the Dauntless Media Discord for more conversation with all the podcast co…
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167: IFS and Other Therapy Models with Tammy Sollenberger
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IFS therapist, author, and podcast host of The One Inside is back! Tammy Sollenberger, dear friend of the podcast, has joined us to discuss therapy models she has used in her practice, such as CBT and DBT, and what changed when she learned about Internal Family Systems (IFS). Plus, for our Patreon subscribers, Tammy goes vulnerable and raw in a fol…
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166: Concept Therapy with Malissa Melton-Otunba
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Therapist Malissa Melton-Otunba is back for a part two! In this episode, she briefs Megan on what Concept Therapy is and they discuss how it relates to Internal Family Systems and other therapy models. For more information on Malissa, listen to episode 165! Links: Concept Therapy Malissa's most recent article…
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165: Even Therapists Need Therapy with Malissa Melton-Otunba
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Therapist Malissa Melton-Otunba joins the podcast this week to discuss why even therapists need to be able to do their own inner work! For Malissa, the enneagram was a life-changing tool that helped her understand herself, especially as a mom and woman. Malissa is a midwest girl at heart transplanted in Dallas/Fort Worth for the past 20 years. She …
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164: I Shouldn't Feel This Way with Dr. Alison Cook
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Dr. Alison Cook returns to the podcast for the third time! In it, she discusses her newest book, I Shouldn't Feel This Way, available for pre-order now! Alison walks us through the three practices for untangling emotions: naming, framing, and braving. Plus, watch the bonus interview where she answers the question, "What's been left unsaid?" and tru…
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163: Healing After the Cult with Anna LeBaron
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Author and Hulu documentary subject Anna LeBaron joins Deedra and Megan to share about her life post-cult. Anna's escape at 13 led her on a lifelong healing journey from the trauma she endured, and she opens up about the hardships and blessings of walking it. Also, don't miss the bonus interview in the DG Community where she answers the question, "…
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162: Strong Like Water with Aundi Kolber
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Author and therapist Aundi Kolber joins Deedra and Megan today for a beautiful and compassionate conversation about healing from trauma. Aundi's new book, Strong Like Water Guided Journey, is available for pre-order and releases March 26! You can connect further with Aundi on Instagram, and don't forget that our DG Community members can see a bonus…
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161: Vulnerability in Leadership with Jo Saxton
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Enneagram Eight Jo Saxton joins the conversation to discuss the importance of vulnerability in leadership. Listen as she drops some amazing wisdom about what it looks like to lead from wholeness and integrity. Plus, for our Patreon subscribers, don't miss the bonus interview where Jo answers the question, "What's been left unsaid?" Jo Saxton is a s…
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REPOST: After Hours #5 Keiko Agena (Gilmore Girls) and Shin Kawasaki- Heroes of the Asian Kids at APU
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Despite this episode containing some incredible music by Shin and the presence of Keiko, a bonafide Gilmore Girl and TV/Movie star, very few people heard this, comparatively. So before season 4 gets going, I wanted to give newer listeners a chance to hear from two of my favorite people on the planet: Shin Kawasaki and Keiko Agena. Even as the show …
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160: Launching the Dauntless Grace Community!
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Straight from Dallas, Texas, Deedra and Megan drop their exciting news: Dauntless Grace has a new community for you to join! Head to the Community tab on the website (dauntlessgrace.org) or go straight to the Patreon page to join now!
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REPOST: After Hours #3 Jenny Yang- The Acclaimed Actor and Comedian Remembers...APU?
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Repost in honor of The Brothers Sun, a series that was just cancelled despite being hugely popular. All the love to Jenny Yang. Before Jenny Yang became a big-time comedian and Buzzfeed sensation, before she became a writer for television, and before she was cast as one of the stars of The Brothers Sun, a Netflix dramedy starring Michelle Yeoh, Jen…
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159: Focus of Attention pt. 2
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Deedra and Megan finish up the conversation from last week on the focus of attention for types Five through Nine, along with some extra stories about Fours (per usual) and how the focuses relate to the passions of the enneagram types.
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New Collab Coming Repost: Chapel Probation s3- Priska- From PK to the Two Horny Goats Podcast
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UPDATE: Get to know Priska if you haven't already. She will be collaborating with Scott to bring you a BIPOC-centered, AAPI-flavored podcast about leaving evangelical Purity Culture. Coming soon! About 11 years ago, I went to a Tuesday Night Cafe and saw a young woman in her early 20's perform there for the first time. Priska's voice and playing fl…
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158: Focus of Attention, pt. 1
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Megan and Deedra decide to take it back to some enneagram basics: the focus of attention for each type. If you're new to the enneagram or still trying to determine which number you are, understanding the focus of attention will go a long way in identifying or confirming yours!
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157: Our Annual Galentine's Day Episode
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Yes, we are two days late to drop a Galentine's Day episode. BUT, I think you'll find the episode is worth it. We spend a lot of time laughing, answering enneagram questions for each other, and we even dive into some enneagram and relationship dynamics you don't want to miss!
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