Darren Wong - Kinjas - Noise Of The Broke Boys Episode 002
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Darren Wong, a member of the famous dance group the Kinjas, discusses his beginnings in dance and business, and goofs around with some dude.
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in this episode I bring in a good dance
buddy I've had since high school we
basically came up together as b-boys in
the early 2000s and grew to love hip hop
culture together he is a member of the
world famous dance group the kynges and
currently lives in the Southern
California area teaching and managing
the various dance schools that the
kynges have built from the ground up
please enjoy this episode with my good
friend Darren Wong hello everybody
welcome to the diarrhea doodoo show this
is noise of the broke boys I am your
host Kurt rocks key and today I have one
of my oldest dance friends he is a
member of the kynges or if you don't
know they are ninja cosplayers that also
do dance they do not root Oh cosplay and
then they're also good dancers as well
right I've known this guy for quite a
while I went to high school with him I
had a crush on his mother yeah she was
my math teacher and yeah what's up man
this is d-money mr. Darren Wong what's
up yeah so dude I haven't talked to you
in a minute when did I last see you
probably my wedding huh yeah because
you've been living out in LA for a
minute huh
yeah probably since 2007
yeah and we went to school like irvine
right you went to UC irvine you moved
out here and have been out here since
then Yeah right cool um cool so like
when I first met you um you were already
like you already knew what's up with
dance I mean you were already kind of
dancing and this was you were a freshman
in high school and I was
Jr probably yeah thank Junior so I don't
know what I was doing hanging out with
juniors I mean hanging out with freshmen
when I was a junior oh yeah I guess so
yeah yeah you were cool and I was uncool
so we like met in the middle a little
bit yes we were about both sophomores
yeah I guess so
so when I met you yeah you were already
into dance so like what got you into
dance I think like most guys who want to
dance a girl of course I wanted to
impress a particular girl maybe wise
I think particular girl in like middle
school so I wanted to do breaking cuz I
thought that was like the closest thing
I could do since I did martial arts um
so then I basically just tried to find
any video I could through like illegal
way times before YouTube and just learn
from that just practice in a garage with
my homie
and then yeah so did you get the girl
now got different go there oh it all
worked out
sweet yeah no uh back then that was like
2001 Pro yeah
dude did the internet yet exist yeah
yeah I just remember like going to what
was it b-boy calm or org or something
yeah yeah yeah yeah and they had those
like they had gifts but they're not like
the gifts you see now they were like
yeah it'd be a 10-second thing but
there's only five frames in it so you're
like oh what is he a bad call yeah
because I remember letti trying to get
that stupid page to load that taught you
how to do
turtles yeah and it was a it was a gif
of I think Cujo doing him and like I you
know you wait ten minutes for it to load
yeah and then it finally loads and it's
just like dude and I was like how the
hell did he do that like the whole
reason I waited so long for this to load
was to see how to do that in slow motion
but no it skipped like 15 frames so I
missed it all
yes yeah stupid b-boy org I hope you
don't exist anymore no actually I hope
you do but I hope you're listening to
this instead I'm sorry I love your gifts
ice yeah I downloaded them that's that's
all bad when you're like downloading
gifts you downloaded gifts to like learn
how to break yeah it's the animated
picture it's yeah that's terrible
but anyways somehow we got to wear
animated gifts to a finalist on world of
dance Thank You b-boy da or you are and
you are the people the People's Choice
forgives so do you still rep Panda
Express so we back when we went to high
school together we went to El Camino
high school we made this crew together
as like kind of a joke and we called it
Panda Express cute cuz all of us were
just the only Asian kids there and yeah
all of us just decided to break is that
Asian Club or is that like breaking Club
I don't know it could be both breaking
Club and Asian Club had the same members
so anyways yeah we made it and we called
it Panda Express crew cuz I'm tired you
know we actually yeah we did
that's even funnier that we
we battled people as panda that's the
best part but anyways so since high
school you've like you've had a pretty
decorated list of like groups you've
been a part of
of course like legendary steps flexible
Flav you were in Cabo modern right you
were leading that crew right yeah yes
years table modern the what would you
call them the hip hop dance choreo dance
yeah I feel like there's like multiple
teams that you see I cop modern is
probably like one of them one of the top
women's tops and then the other one
would be CADC which is where mm-hmm Mike
and Anthony the two creators of Kim just
came from actually okay yeah so then
yeah obviously kynges and now you're in
underground flow it is also a Sacramento
oh yeah uh so how did you get involved
with kynges I mean I guess he kind of
alluded to it but yeah so when I was a
freshman in college there's this thing
called Casa dance-off which is like a
Korean club basically it's like this
Korean club they put together it's only
freshmen so if you're a freshman you're
allowed to compete in like this
choreography showcase basically so
basically every school has their own
team in their own choreographers so
that's kind of where I met Mike and
Anthony at the same time and then at the
same time Victor Kim who used to like
mmm yep I know you're trying to elude me
but him yo Victor was telling me like oh
you should go for like either one of
these cuz he's like you know the top
crews so that I never go in with taba
just cuz they did more breaking pieces
and I didn't know like choreo choreo so
I went with that and then that's like
kind of how I met both of them though
through Casa dance-off cos mm-hmm were
there choreographing mmm and so then you
guys they formed they they formed the
crew or conceptualized it or whatever
and then they reached out to you
yeah so basically the way King just
formed was Anthony was going away to
work somewhere else so they wanted to do
one last showcase together and bringing
all the homies that they've always
wanted to dance with so they just like
hand-picked like pretty much the top
people from each crew that they don't
knew and like we're still friends with
and then they don't know case and then
all of a sudden people really liked it
and they're like oh shoot this is like
something we might be able to do it's
like some seven cent money yeah that's
that's a that's a very normal or like a
much toned down version that I was
thinking it was I thought you guys maybe
like went to like a comic-con you're all
like dressed as ninjas and then just
like and then just all of a sudden
started like dancing and then you're
like oh he's a dancing ninja
oh you're dancing ninja and you're all
just like oh we should join a Power
Rangers ninja force oh no wait nevermind
let's uh let's just join it let's make a
crew together yeah that would have been
the cooler origins I guess that that one
was too normal for me so that's what I'm
gonna I'm gonna cut out what you just
said and just say that's what
but yeah so then okay so then you join
together and then the underground flow
twins Steven and Michael they joined -
they got reached out to and who else do
you have in that crew good it's got a
lot of yeah you boys I mean it's Victor
used to do it in the very beginning okay
when they were on boob black ops yet so
what is it ANBU black ops
that's literally from the ANBU black ops
yeah so then that was Lin like for sure
we were doing a lot of it never you to
stuff what the hell and we changed it to
just be you know dancing I don't know
Naruto but that sounds like a really
terrible BG show ANBU black hot we're
like I don't know some care right we
changed it yeah okay was it roll out the
talkies
no not at all oh yeah you guys would
have definitely lost forever we got sued
to you you got sued and lost ANBU black
ops is off the show okay so that's
that's dope um so you guys wrapped as
that name eventually came up with kynges
what like what is what does kynges mean
I guess like I just assumed as ninjas
that are Korean or not a lot of people
always guess that it's not the only one
kin means family mm-hmm and then I got
dances ninjas so keeping up with the
kynges that's what's up
so um if people don't know this kynges
eventually went to world of dance which
was like a TV dance competition show
that had tons of different dancers on
there and like a million-dollar prize
right and so you guys were competing in
it and you guys were the finalists of it
and you lost to got out too late twins
but should have been these dudes no I'm
kidding they're good yeah actually we
got to the finalists for our group so
it's like finalists for like soloists
and duo's and then there's finalists for
groups and then there's finalists for it
was like called kids or whatever that
was yeah so we lost - JLo salsa team JLo
salsa team yeah
oh they're dope they're dope they're
like definitely high energy I feel okay
maybe I missed I didn't watch the whole
season I watched like the ending ya know
what's confusing different groups it was
like yeah there was a lot and there was
so many different styles
the other thing well anyway so that's
like that got you guys a lot of Fame and
stuff so you guys now are like you know
teaching and then doing shows and stuff
so like I guess what what where has that
gotten you now and like what are what
are you guys planning to do in the
future so actually today we're opening a
new studio in downtown LA it's called
the complex so we have that we have we
did like a Kickstarter IndieGoGo type
thing for our first studio in Monterey
Park
mmm called kynges dojo we currently have
three studios I believe in China over
all over these Chinamen China a lot now
cuz you got you just got back from China
like a couple weeks ago dang so you
worried that what's I figured you were
there doing like shows or something yeah
yeah so we have a lot of work in China
now too so all over the place other than
that just teaching with around the world
workshops normal stuff some of the guys
choreographed for like kpop stuff well
that's that yeah so pretty much anything
to do it dance and music we're trying to
be have our little hands in I guess and
then yeah your your little hands you
have like your little swords yeah how do
you guys actually dance with foot I just
know you walked around like one day some
weapons throwing some like yeah you know
uh so okay so in China I wouldn't
imagine hip-hop dance is popular in
China but apparently it is now it is it
is they started making it mean well you
know how like China's government is they
like time control what people see so now
they're living like dance be a big thing
oh that's so that's why I think it's
kind of blowing up a lot more now
there's a political reason for that
why would I don't know money has less
money yeah they don't I don't know I
don't know how a China works actually
cuz they're communist country yeah I
don't know how their money works so I
got a lot of it got a lot of it and
they're giving it all to you guys teach
them dance and do shows for that so cool
you're like a that's the most American
thing you can do dude you're a patriot
let's dump so so like what is the dance
scene like in China like I've been to
China because I used to do shows with
NBA dance shows and so I went to in
China probably like two or three years
ago and so there was like a huge you
know huge NBA crowd there the and they'd
freaking love basketball and but we were
there and it seemed like they really
enjoyed what we were doing too but they
maybe weren't too familiar with it I
guess
but it seemed like a cool place to like
for it to blow up someday and I know
that the breaking song is starting to
grow a little bit sorry my dog is
barking H so I so another breaking scene
is starting to blow up a little bit more
and you're seeing more cruising stuff
come from there I don't know if other
hip-hop styles are like you know there's
crews in those Styles coming from China
but seems like it's a growing place yeah
for sure
I think the dancers over there like
they're hungry to like learn so like
they're leveling up pretty quickly so
they're coming coming from the lead for
everybody are they dressed as ninjas
no they got them like Crouching Tiger
Hidden Dragon outfit you know what I'm
talking about
the kung-fu outfit they dress like
normal hip-hop what if they made a movie
like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon but
it was just dancing maybe and they just
start flying yeah it would like fly oh
yeah it's heavy dope we could just make
it I would watch it but I'm not Chinese
it needs to be in Chinese and then like
have subtitles or whatever like dub over
it I guess you could do that just just
say something else and then your mouth
is moving differently oh man yeah that's
a I think it's ideas are yeah yeah that
sounds like a quick way to get in
trouble so um yeah so that's that's
tight that you guys are in China doing
like a lot of them cool things um
so aside from teaching and stuff are
there any big shows that you guys are
working on like I'm comparing you to
like maybe Jabbawockeez who lives who
have a show out in Vegas that they
perform and then they also had started
doing some traveling thing or whatever
but yeah they do they're doing shows
like all over the place is that like in
the cards for you guys to I think we've
always talked about doing like our own
theater show I think there's just so
much going on right now that there's
always something in the background that
is happening as far as I know I think
we're just more focused right now on
just one this complex opening and then
yeah from there we'll see where that
leads I guess mm-hmm
but I'm pretty sure in the future we
would love to do it like a theater show
yeah you know it's just fun
ya know I think that that's that's a
cool way to like let to like let your
stuff shine and you get full control of
like what yeah well assuming you get
full control I mean probably you got to
work with a lot of the other theater
people to make sure that they're getting
what they need out of it but but yeah
you got a lot more control of like what
you can do you could say I want this
exact music I want to extend this part
so long you know compared I'm comparing
it to like something like what you did
on world of dance
you would do a set that's like a minute
long or whatever um have to get
copyrights versus music yeah oh yeah
there's a lot of stuff you got to do the
red tape there's a lot of red tape yeah
that and so many hoops to jump through
and then there's a lot of production
staff that are like giving you orders
different so I imagine that that kind of
like I don't know it lets you not
control it as much as you probably want
you know like because I imagine when I
do stuff I go oh I have this vision for
and then someone goes oh well that song
doesn't work yeah oh well actually
successful what the heck was I gonna say
I was gonna ask you something I forgot
oh so at your studio at your dance
studio like you have now you have three
you said three Studios in China and you
have two in LA and are you planning to
go anywhere else like he's always like
an option I mean people always ask us to
open studios you know near them so East
Coast yeah maybe
okay like pretty much anywhere is an
option I think I guess it probably
depends on where you're people are
planning to go cuz you obviously need to
have some of your people there mhm all
of them are here right yeah I would say
most of us are here and then we have
partners called sino stage those are our
partners in China okay I run that over
there
now do the students that go there do
they have to wear ninja outfits no I
mean if you want you can what if I
dislike you know we go to Disneyland
it's like okay to dress up I feel like
if you're walking it's like mashed up
you're like cool you're like no one's
gonna look at you what would I have to
wear it for them to like kick me out
it's like what's the limit here what if
I was with a ninja next question alright
that's that's the end of that so I with
with all your success
I imagine you've you've seen a lot of
like cool things in your life so can you
tell me maybe about like the coolest
thing you've seen like that dance has
brought you to or like the most
inspirational or even the funniest or
all three as a good question I guess the
coolest would have to be world of dance
that was like just being surrounded by
pretty much everybody's like a master in
their craft you're basically like in a
room with like a bunch of masters and
they're just like vibing out together
everyone's like friendly so there was
like no hate or beef so that was cool
for sure I think that was like the
number one memory traveling wise I would
say maybe going to like the Philippines
like seeing like there's like a dota 2
championship or something like that oh
the video game yeah so is like a Oh a
championship and then like the Green
Ranger was there and the Green Ranger
was he actually dressed up as the green
I don't know does he wear like regular
clothes cuz that's what they would
always do right I don't know if I was
the green I would do that all except I
wouldn't want to be the Green Ranger I'd
probably be the what I hate the black
Ranger well you know because cuz Zak
from the original one would be like
let's go he'd like strike he'd be he'd
do a body roll into a fighting stance
and it was like the dough fish at least
when I was ten years old or whenever
whatever I was when I watched that I was
like that's how you fight then I got
beat up your sets man bring it back
no I just want to get
street fights like that just like a what
did you say to me let's go
it's morphin time then like as I'm doing
that they're like beating me up I know
yeah my yeah that sounds like a bad idea
don't do that but it was cool to watch
yeah cuz he was just they were just
fighting do you know the little like
pudding whatever I never understood that
actually I don't understand cuz it just
was like clay and then they all of a
sudden we're like things and you just
kicked them once again dead and I'm like
man you guys screwed up a little bit
like if you put all your faith in like
taking over the world with those little
things like dude you guys or why didn't
you just form one giant putty baby yeah
seriously like why did you pick that
little that little guy why didn't you
just make a Godzilla
yeah and just say hey you don't need to
fight nobody just walk around this city
and you know by the time the Power
Rangers like get there like thing
together and kick you like half the city
already destroyed man I should have been
Rita Rapunzel it's time to conquer earth
let's make look like monsters to get
beat up High School is basically right
high schoolers led by a giant head led
by a giant head who's never fought a day
in his life
come on dude Power Rangers jeez I don't
know shout out the Power Rangers don't
sponsor this show Oh God look at me oh
damn um so like what about what is there
any like movie opportunities like in the
works for you guys mm good question I
don't know I mean I feel like most dance
movies don't go as far as like they
don't you would want them to go yeah I
mean but yes oviedo yes I actually
always thought about writing a script
for a movie that had to do with
hip-hop and breaking mmm
that would show more of like the the
rawness behind it because every dance
movie I've seen has always been
cheesiest yeah yeah yeah sure it's like
you know I'll watch beach street or
whatever just to see the dancing and
then as soon as they start talking
oh you biters you ain't worth the beat
that's what's the point I turned it off
you know I mean but so I've always
wanted to see a movie like that and I
compare it to eight mile
like with mmm where he you know he's
just like it's almost just a story of em
and em really but like there's I feel
like they just put like a really gritty
like you know veil over it to show the
more raw side of like anti popping and
you know battle rapping and stuff and so
I always thought that that'd be dope to
take that on with with breaking yeah let
me double its um yeah I don't know that
telling the real story of like someone's
life versus a little bit cuz like this
is dance somebody yeah the things that
have always bothered me and it kind of
why I started this podcast was because I
would always see like Hollywood
portrayal of breaking and hip-hop dance
and it's always like let's do hit ha
yeah and I'm like alright yeah maybe I
mean if you're you know I'm not trying
to like shame that but there's more to
it than then hip-hop there's uh you know
like what I mean I saw some stupid video
of like there's a girl going like and
you know like it was some weird dant
like teaching how to do some stupid
dance in a music video and I was like
that's where we he was so it was funny
but uh it might have been a joke
actually um but it was just like yeah
that's not the hip-hop Ino so I wanted
to like show the other side of it and
talk to people who've like you know
lived through it and are still living
through it to put that on there so that
you know people who don't know hip-hop
don't just get the one-sided view from
the Hollywood perspective because really
Hollywood
I think the way Hollywood looks at is
they go okay what is cool looking mm-hmm
this isn't the highlight of our movie or
a commercial or whatever we just want to
see some cool moves and look and people
smiling it's done
which is fine like I think that's cool
too cuz you know any exposure is good
exposure but if that's all you ever see
you go all like what is breaking what is
hip-hop what is this it's people smiling
and doing backflips and second there's a
lot more to it than that there's like a
huge hustle behind it there's you know
long hours at a studio or you know on
the concrete if you like that I mean
there's long there's long hours just
like putting into your craft and stuff
that I think you miss if you only see it
so but yeah so that's why I wanted to
bring you on because you obviously have
gone through the hustle and a struggle
to get to where you are and that's why
I've brought on a lot of other people
and yeah yeah maybe someday I'll write a
movie huh sounds dope I think it's just
like if you really understood like how
much even like physically we go through
the risk we're putting our bodies
through even not just for like now but
in the future like it's kind of it's
kind of crazy
that's great because it's like it's like
getting beat up every day you're not
like you're not getting black eyes
you're definitely doing stuff that I
mean I guess as an example like when I
was learning windmills I would go home
every day with like a bruise on my
shoulder a bruise on my hip and then I
come back the next day and do it again
and then the bruza just get bigger and
bigger and bigger and then you know and
then tons of scars and then eventually I
think my body just got used to and was
like alright you win no more no more
bruises and then it stopped bruising and
it stopped hurting but I'm pretty sure
that's gonna correct it for sure for
sure so I take care of our bodies gotta
take care you're younger you know we
didn't stretch we do just like jump in
and just go for it
yeah that was I do that all the time
and it wasn't until I tore my meniscus
my right knee and like the doctor was
like you're gonna need surgery you're
never gonna break again and I like it's
over for me
and then yes I was just like tripping at
that point and trying to figure out you
know how to how to how to get through
that and so then I put I just took like
a whole year off from dance and just let
it heal I was like really scared of
getting surgery because I had a bunch of
friends that got the surgery yeah and so
then um they they think they couldn't
like dance so as much as they could
after the surgery saw a super scared of
it and so I just said what do I have to
lose let me just quit like a year and
see what happens and if I really can't
move then I'll go and get a surgery and
that's it the doctor told me that that
wouldn't be a big deal so to wait for it
as long as I'm not like did you get
surgery no I didn't get surgery right so
I took the whole healed by cell took the
yeah and I went to a physical therapist
worked out my knee got a lot of like you
know work done on it and and you know
and I just rested a long time cuz I tore
my meniscus in high school remember yeah
and then you got like hand hops
yeah you got crazy hand offs hey I
didn't know you like tort and dude no
surgery that's crazy
yeah cuz I was scared I probably I mean
at that moment if I was in a different
my
said I probably would have got it but I
was like dude if I get a surgery and I
don't need it and or and like messes it
up because the surgery basically you
have a flap of your meniscus which is a
bunch of cartilage between your knees is
it's like torn and doing all sorts of
waving in the wind and stuff and it
first of all cartilage takes a long time
to heal so it's it's gonna it's gonna
have problems and then the surgery is
they like they cut it off yeah yeah
right move it clean it so then if it's
not perfect like now there's rubbing
there so then they say what happens is
like you can get arthritis and lots of
problems later on in your life too and
then your knee is gonna function
differently now that that's not there
cuz you you essentially do need that
there but yeah because it's it's causing
more problems it's causing pain they'll
cut it off yeah yeah and so I guess mine
healed was kind of healing weird and so
I just went to the physical therapist
and they would just break down scar
tissue until it eventually got into a
good place where it doesn't bother me
and so it really doesn't bother me
either I mean it's good like once in a
while like if it's cold or something
I'll feel like a little bit of pain or
old man like that so that there's that
and then I man I injured my shoulders
both of my shoulders this one was from
my right shoulder was on a I was
practicing do you know what a Arabian
twist flip is it's like you it's like
you kind of jump like you're gonna
backflip and then you twist 180 and then
front flip so I was doing that so like I
have to throw you have to throw your arm
kind of like this and I threw it way too
hard enough effed up my rotator cuff and
at that time I was learning air flares
and I had probably like two or three at
that time and so I had a quit Air flight
so I lost my air flares and then I could
dude I had to quit breaking for a long
time because of that came back zero air
flares zero Arabian twist and a lot of
other moves that I lost yeah okay then I
started working again getting all these
things back
and then I was working with the warriors
at the time and we were doing these
shows and there was this crazy trick
that we were trying to figure out how to
do where I don't you actually me and you
made this trick with Vince the one you
know the one where Vince what's do the
splits on the ground and then I would
jump and then you jump in here maybe I
was jumping over you I don't remember
but we would do that so we were doing
that except our friend Quang who's like
the buffest guy I know he's doing like
his planche like push-ups down where
Vince would have been and then one guy
jumps over him and then I was jumping
over that guy and then we got another
guy who gets thrown over here so it was
like it all happens at the same time so
it goes boom yeah and so while we were
practicing this he missed oh and landed
straight on me so I went headfirst into
the ground hit my shoulders super hard
and it just like effed on my shoulder
and so I went to the doctor they're like
oh yeah this is like a common linebacker
injury and I was like yeah cuz I'm a
freak yeah look at me and yeah just like
don't don't do whatever you're doing and
I'm like okay what do I do and they're
like that's all you can do all right so
then then I lost air flares again and
now my now both shoulders are messed up
and this is my catching shoulder sounds
like it's hard to get yeah I always like
not to not too happy with that so I have
air flares a long time ago man I can hit
two once in a while if I can deal with
the pain in the shoulder but if I'm not
down to do that and usually I'm not it's
like yeah it's kind of like oh yeah yeah
that's an airflow I guess so yeah that's
that's the pains of life of a b-boy
yeah yeah so do you have any um chronic
injuries from dancing hmm I'm still
dealing with the torn back even to the
corner back yeah
so I think I like twisted wrong I feel
like I tore a muscle in it hasn't been
confirmed yet but when was that that's
been like two years I've been every now
and then my back will pull so I can't
even like bend over to get my car
oh that's been fun sometimes I get like
a weird back pain it's not like nearly
as bad but sometimes it'll be like ooh
what's going on like it makes it so if
you're like in a weird position it like
hurts a lot soon I don't know yeah for
sure that the meniscus tear sucked for
sure when I try to learn air flares back
in the day my shoulder went out of place
I stopped doing that oh yeah I was there
I don't know if you're doing air flare
but I remember you did pop your shoulder
at once yeah doing a hand holding fun
did yeah I'm lucky I didn't and that
never happened to me because that would
be and we were yelling back then too so
like yeah you pop it probably when
you're a sophomore dude that sucks
yeah and then you just started learning
hand hops on the other hand yeah and
like you know now you can hand off for a
year yeah it's like riding a bike I
never practice them anymore
right and you could just do it yeah hey
no weird I get to hand hops three
handouts maybe so you know yeah yeah I
need a break my soul no - well actually
I guess that's a good thing for you like
if you ever lost your legs just be like
i'm handi-capable hop around dude that
is sick
but yeah injuries for sure suck yeah
it's like you know it was like in the
end it's my job so like if something
goes wrong mm-hmm game over
oh I want to see if like dance starts
blowing up to the point where it's like
a sport and stuff like you know I get I
guess with the Olympics and stuff I want
to see you know if it was at the NBA
level and they had all these like
you know good doctors and stuff like
working with these athletes to keep
their bodies like perfectly how good
people would get yeah for sure because
I'm 100% with that yeah I mean Artie I
think already you're seeing like it's a
lot of now little kids who probably
their parents were b-boys or B girls
back in the day are now like ten years
old and you know double flipping over
yeah each other kids are crazy now yeah
they do stuff that I'm like I'm never
gonna try that in my yeah well so it's
like I think you see that now and then
so you're seeing kids that are good from
like birth essentially and you know I
think once it becomes like a bigger
sport and maybe there's more research
into like how to keep people in physical
good physical shape for it
I think melding those two things
together dude you're gonna see some
crazy like 20 year olds like literally
flying just I don't know yeah they're
like it's triple air flares yeah like
it's nothing yeah you like the future
for like at least our generations like
more coaching them I feel like if it
does become a sport it's like oh yeah
for sure there's no y generation become
coaches where the teams which would be
created there the era of like getting
broke off figuring out how to do it in
their the era of like oh you got broke
off and can teach me how to be a pro cap
so now I can do it when I'm 10 a dude oh
yeah and then when they have kids who
knows
be crazy or I don't know maybe breaking
doesn't exist at that time I know man
Olympics oh yeah I know where hopefully
it goes through you yeah is it through
or no I think it's like 90% sure I don't
know I'm pretty sure it's going through
I don't want to say 100 because I don't
know
yeah what are your thoughts on that
things though I think as long as they
find like a fair judging system like
even like it like you have to be
certified to judge you know
there's like you do understand the
criteria so it's not so like biased or
anything I think that's what will make
it legit versus people seeing it once in
the Olympics and then all of a sudden
they're like oh no you just can't do it
because you know just because it was
messed up the first time so mm-hmm as
long as they get it right the first time
it'll last possible yeah I think I think
so too i think it's it's tight that it's
in the Olympics and I'm really excited
to see it there and I think we've as a
scene come very far to get it here but I
also am worried that the scene is not
ready for it because for one there's a
lot of pushback against it which that's
gonna be problems and then yeah the
judging I think there's a there's a lot
of hump to get over to make that right
because I think basically judging now is
kind of like you win
no you just point to the dude that you
think wins that ain't gonna cut it for
the Olympics I mean because they're used
to points and whatever and like oh yeah
he wins he got ten points and I give him
zero like that doesn't that ain't gonna
work dude okay so I think yeah everybody
everybody in the scene really needs to
come together think about how to do this
and I'm not just talking about like the
oh Jesus I'm talking about anybody has
seen who has a good idea to like try to
figure it out because I think if
anything has been proven is that we
don't have a good judging system other
than I mean I think one two three point
to who you think wins is fine with me
at from like an artistic perspective
because I look at it is like there's
these judges here and they have their
own artistic perspective on what they
think is good and then pointing at it is
just saying my opinion is this that I
like this more and if the Olympics is
okay with that that's cool but the in in
and simply because that kind of goes
well with the way breaking was formed
and how we've always done it so it stays
true to how we do it
I think there's holes in that for sure
but I don't think that's gonna fly with
the Olympics because it's kind of like I
think what they're gonna say is well if
somebody who's watching says well why
did that guy win and then they go oh
because Darren from kin just said so
because he wore a ninja costume and the
other guy didn't okay well alright
that's how you get an Olympic medal then
yeah yes so that's not gonna fly you
know what I mean so but then again I
think giving points to specific criteria
I have some reservations on that because
I think it breaks down a little bit when
you go okay if you imagine a guy who's
really well-rounded going against a guy
who's really good at maybe a few things
I can still see either of those guys
winning but a judging system that
tailors more to all-around person that
guy is always gonna win in that batter
so I have some problems with that it's
it's I like to always compare it to
painting you know where you're judging
an art piece so say you had like the
Mona Lisa and you're looking at I forget
the name of the painting but like it's
Picasso's painting of the war where it's
like all this cubism kind of thing
there's like a lot of like chaos going
on there's a lot of argue if you were
comparing those and they were back like
say those paintings are battling right
how do you judge that yeah because in
one way you could say oh the realism on
this one is much better than that so
they win but then you could say but this
emotion here
I see more emotion in it I want that one
but then you go oh but the Mona Lisa
smile has this slight little like thing
to it so maybe it's like inner pain or
whatever so there's an emotion in that
too I so there's like a huge failure a
huge debate that gets involved with it
and so how do you put criteria to that
and it could like ruin the art form with
a really cool
be like okay I'm just gonna do for work
just to get the points you know yeah
versus like if that's not what you
feeling then fucking don't which is so
which is why I really think the point
and point to who you think wins is a
good system because it's at least going
okay it's being true to your impressing
like an audience right and showing your
art form to that audience and the
audience is saying okay I want over that
and the audience being the judge so I
think it's good that it stays true to
that and they're they they're able to
put their own creative opinion into into
the choice of the winner so I think
that's good but I do think that it
breaks down a little bit so I was I've
been playing with the idea of like if
there was just like 20 judges and
they're all from different areas of the
world they've all you know maybe had
so-and-so amount of experience 20 years
or whatever renowned or whatever you
know dancers and they're set in in the
room as like the crowd and they're just
judging and so you get 20 different
points of people so basically your
system is a point system of 20 total
points yeah and and your score is just
based on who that got that particular
audience member points to I think that's
fine like I think this is as long as the
judges are like credentialed whatever
they need to do to get to that spot like
then it's like I feel like that is the
fairest way first is doing like you get
points for footwork or top rocks style
and power you know I mean yeah because
that's so subjective and yeah I mean I
there you can get in long debates about
people going like that's not to me I go
dude who cares yeah like you're saying
that's footwork and that's not for it
it's something cares like you know
I mean that guy's expression of a girl's
expression or whatever they think it is
soon it's just dancing it's just a
movement it's either cool or it's not
dope or it's not so why don't you just
judge on that rather his a pinkie
touched the ground like what the hell
are you even talking about do ya
unless the footwork competition dude
yeah dude I think footwork competitions
are the stupidest thing and this is yeah
this is a hot take and probably a yeah I
would imagine a lot of people would be
mad at this but I think footwork
competitions are the stupidest shit ever
because it's like it's just a way for
people to like go in and go hey look at
me I I did footwork based on this model
of what everyone thinks footwork is and
I win cool like not to diss anybody
who's done that
you know usually the person who wins is
very good at what they do but I've seen
people that have very good what I would
consider footwork and they lose and it's
because what they're doing is maybe not
mainstream footwork you know I think the
mainstream footwork is probably that
kind of like Rocksteady style a little
bit where it's like very step II a lot
of pauses and stuff little little
freezes in their footwork but I've seen
like more flowy styles where they're
doing sweeps and they go on to the
ground and like kind of rolled around
and stuff I'm like they're still using
their feet so it's hard to say that it's
not footwork in my opinion like evolving
with yeah when when I look at the
footwork competition the way I break it
down is there it's it's a way of saying
you're not allowed to do all this other
stuff and if you do it in this little
bubble then you win and if you touch any
of this stuff out here you lose which I
mean I guess that's kind of cool but at
the end of the day it's kind of like a
let's tie our one hand behind our back
and let's box that's what it is to me
it's not like a real boxing match it
tie both of your hands together and like
try to bite each other you know what I
mean
which that's probably fun to watch and
I'm not gonna lie
forward battles are fun to watch but I
don't know if you're talking about
straight up breaking dude I don't know I
think it's stupid yeah that's my hot
take don't hate me for it so we're
coming up on 50 minutes or so yeah yeah
dude so I know recently you got engaged
right so how's it yeah how's that going
like are you guys planning your wedding
and everything yeah already got the
venue Oh dope next year already got
photographer videographer got the food
you know Nate course ten course dang
dude what happened then got the
guestlist going hmm you're invited of
course oh the wife right now ready I
only get me in February yeah February
next year not oh dude did you already oh
yeah okay well okay so you guys are
taking that's good me and Keiko took our
time too we heard we were engaged for
like two years
oh yeah yeah we were engaged for like
two years I think and then we um cuz she
was in nursing school at the time and
then I was I don't think I was doing
anything but I wasn't gonna plan the
wedding I mean that's real how much how
much of your opinion is going into the
website I'll try the food with you you
dude yeah every single one of my ideas
out the door I mean you got to wear the
socks though he pulled it off
do you yeah so he's talking about
I goofed on everyone at my wedding yeah
cuz I like to make jokes I think I made
the joke too Caicos mother because she
was like you know really involved like
trying to like have us do all these
things and I was like I think we're
gonna have a ninja turtle themed wedding
and she's just like shocked went through
her face like are you serious like if
she she takes everything really serious
so that's why I said it she freaked out
for a second and then um I was just
saying oh I'm just messing around
oh and I remember she asked me like what
is what kind of food are you gonna get
I'm just getting a taco truck yeah some
some fear in her face ya know hey I'll
still stick by this opinion I think that
if you did your wedding at like a nice
park and you got a taco truck to come
through and you know you Davi say have
to get it on a good day for weather but
you get a taco truck and you just invite
lots of people you get a really dope DJ
and then make sure you know the city's
not trippin out about sound and stuff
and just did your wedding just like as a
almost like a barbecue you know I think
that would be the funnest thing ever be
so like less formal yeah
takes out the you need to sit by this
person it's like yeah like cuz I I've
always hated like the formality of
things and so when we started planning
our wedding I was like dude this is not
for me man okay let's just like cuz I
was seriously saying let's just go to
the the courthouse and sign papers in
whatever and then just do it like that
but I knew that wasn't gonna fly so we
had to do
thing and I thought it was a good way
yeah I mean Keiko did a good job
figuring out what to do and I helped a
lot with like decorations I guess
because she would say pay build this and
because I know how to build so I would
go and build it for her so I built a
whole bunch of stuff for her or for us
and over here come on yeah so yeah it
turned out and you know we were looking
for a good venue so we went to a lot of
different ones and we went to that one
it was about the flower farm in Loomis
near Sacramento so I really liked it she
really liked it because there was like
these chickens they wander around and we
thought it was like the funniest thing
ever because I grew up near Fair Oaks
which there's chickens wandering around
all the time so it was like something I
was used to a little bit and I used to
have chickens as a kid too
and so I was like oh this is fun she
thought it was funny too so we're like
yeah let's do that's why we chose that
place they don't spot for sure and so
yeah we I mean we made it we took that
and I guess the reason we chose it was
because having it on like a somewhat
farm setting like a nice farm setting
took away a little bit of the formality
so I was happy with that so I think it
turned out well I need super dope to see
old friends and stuff too yeah that was
cool yeah and then yeah during the
ceremony I got to goof on everybody
because I said hey well my vows you know
I said all my vows and ice and then at
the end I said Sancta cake oh I wish I
had because I basically said I'm glad
that you let me do a surprise Teenage
Mutant Ninja Turtle themed wedding and
she was like oh what and then I like
lift up my pants and I had a Ninja
Turtles sock on to get clothes there
yeah so I like to it was a good I think
that was good yeah
yeah yeah cuz I was just I was really
trying to not make it so forth like I
don't know it when I lost it even like
what the new job is playing like that
was just oh yeah yeah I'd already set
the tone like it was gonna formal you
know I was yeah yeah exactly like we
yeah we played new jobbies it was
another reflection no reflection eternal
and that's mainly because I think when
me and Keiko first started dating I used
to play that song a lot of snot way I
don't know I can't remember but yeah she
really likes that song too
so anyway so yeah we played that because
it was like we're trying to set the tone
as like this is like have some fun and
you know chill yeah relax have a good
people going yeah y'all formalin shit
yeah you mean like the adults they're
like somewhere dressed in suits they're
just like hanging do my dad was another
thing cuz I knew for sure my dad was
gonna wear and so everyone was like
asking me like what's the attire and I
was like well I don't care what you wear
I'll probably be wearing a suit cause
it's my wedding day but like you're not
gonna offend me if you wear freaking
board shorts yeah in fact I would
probably think that's really funny and a
good idea cuz it would probably be hot
that day but and then I would say but
for sure I know my dad is not wearing a
suit so he kind of just already set the
dress code yeah cuz I could tell him to
wear a suit and he ain't gonna wear so
that's already that's a dress code right
there
so like Caicos doubt of saying oh she
might wear a
a tux or whatever I was like you know
you wear whatever you want to wear but
for sure my dad is not gonna wear a suit
so if you're trying to match him like
you're gonna be looking a lot flier than
his you know he's gonna come in with his
work boots is like new pair of jeans
that and I'm talking like he'll have
these black jeans and what he does is
when he works he has the black jeans
they get holes in them so then like a
year later he buys a new pair so he just
bought his new pair without wedding and
then but he's probably still wearing
them working now you know what I mean so
he just you know was smart about what or
I don't know I don't know yes so that's
that's my dad so yeah dude so is like
your wedding planning like is that going
pretty good like our young Jen's in the
industry you know oh really okay doesn't
make up artists for wedding so she knows
a lot of people just makes it easier so
she she's not stressing I guess you
gotta you're more than a year out yeah
you guys probably aren't stress in them
yeah her friends a wedding planner - so
odo hired her so just take all the
stress away you know he did most of the
planning I think you did most of the
planning paid for everything and we had
a day of coordinator though so we worked
with them and then I had a friend who
was a deejay so he did all that and he
did all the lighting and stuff yeah
RJ shoutout to him a supreme soul he was
also on TV don't music to you yeah yeah
I saw well yeah I really wanted good
that was the one thing about the wedding
that I really wanted was good mean I
think so I was like sure like cuz I
thought of it like this if the wedding
sucks it's probably because of a DJ -
yeah or if you didn't like really enjoy
it and also I also thought is like if
the wedding really sucks how to save it
so it all hinges on a good DJ
crazy cuz I it's like yep if something
goes bad and the DJ just goes you know
he plays some sound and in society you
know and then place you know some dope
track and then people just are like you
know getting down to it
dude you save the wedding's like just
imagine it you know oh no the wedding
there the the bride spilled wine all
over her white dress and the DJ goes oh
no yo dude drop that beat son wedding is
saved right I don't know I'm not a way
and I'd probably get a divorce yeah well
I would say just enjoy the wedding
planning time try to like have fun with
them for sure don't let it stress you
out yeah cuz anything is just like
signing checks like yeah ya know a lot
of money like sign checks for sure one
time in your life oh yeah one time in
your life yeah just I think I have a
story that like puts it into perspective
we were like this was like paid probably
like a month or two out from the wedding
cake I was like looking at the different
desserts to have so she wanted all these
like cookies and she like started
breaking down and crying and stuff what
are you crying about
she's like oh my god everything's going
wrong these cookies they're they they
don't have like chocolate cookies they
have chocolate chip cookie you know it
was like well so they don't have
chocolate cookies they got chocolate
chip oh oh no I don't have the second
best cookie they have the first best
cook
why are you crying and I was like hey
just I started laughing and she's like
getting mad at me and I'm like but here
take a step back and think about what
you're saying you're like crying about
cookies like let's just be happy we can
have cookies yeah everybody loves
cookies and if you don't love a cookie
like fuck you don't you know so yeah and
then I think she she like kind of
started laughing too and then she's like
oh yeah it's just the stress yeah so
let's just laugh at this how does the
cookie and then realize that cookies are
good and everybody loves cookies so if
you don't like this particular cookie
you can go to cookie hell any cookie
sponsors out there yeah mrs. field I'm
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where you at abisco hey Nabisco I need
some cookies dude you can pay me oh damn
so okay so let's like try to wrap the
show up all right so what's in the
future for you got for you and now that
you're getting married like starting up
these studios like obviously still
dancing like where do you see this going
like you're gonna keep teaching you're
gonna like do more shows or kind of get
away from there and start coaching or
whatever I don't know yeah I feel like
my body is starting to tell me dude you
need to slow down so I think well right
now I'm working on a program to help
their dance teachers or upcoming dance
teachers like make money without
depending on like you know like
auditions or even a dance studio like
just make it on your own just hustle on
your own and just understand how to use
like marketing and you know salesmanship
and
stuff to do it all on your own so you
can just make a living off of that and
teach the students that you want to
teach me a life can you teach me how to
make a good podcast can you got it dude
I'll do the marketing for you I do this
but this my guess is already good man
I'm killing it I'm terrible at marketing
dude I don't even use social media like
much I mean I use Facebook but it's
usually to talk to my mom mm-hmm or who
you know someone in my family yeah and
uh yeah so like a marketing on social
media is a nightmare for me yeah like
just thinking about it I'm like dude I
don't want to do that yeah yeah no I
feel you I feel like especially our
generation and so one was like you feel
like you have to post a bunch of stuff I
don't like post yeah I feel like it's
not about that it's more about like if
you understand like how you know like
when we buy stuff it's usually through
somebody paying for an ad to show oh
yeah yeah I mean so I feel like if you
understand that like yes you're paying
money to get your stuff out there but it
will come back to you but a lot of our
generation they just want to do it for
free
so that's why they just post a bunch of
stuff but it's not doing anything yeah
there's a lot of tools out there that
like use the data that it tracks to like
sell you stuff seems kind of like they
see like once they see your ad and you
can talk and they click you can target
them to like you know show up later in
the Blake whoa yeah we've seen that
Darrin has looked up big black many
times follow me around many likes to do
it late at night so next time he's
scrolling through Instagram let's give
him oh hey Kurt you sell big black all
those we got the guy exactly so subdued
I have the sides calm like how many can
I put you down for a whole bag a bushel
the pockets is led up to that one oh
yeah yeah
yeah here's an announcement I'm starting
my business a big black bill does calm
and check it Darren is my first and only
customer thank you you know buying my
host star is somebody owns that domain
yeah probably somebody does hey please
sponsor this I don't care see that'd be
funny if like a hundred episodes in I
[Laughter]
was gonna ask you something again um yes
okay so you're um yeah so you're getting
you're like teaching people how to like
market themselves and stuff and okay so
that's like you're building like kind of
a business around it yeah okay yeah
that's definitely something that is
useful to a lot of people mainly to me
freelancers you know it's hard out there
yeah it's it's hard
well yeah cuz we I think we live in a
world of freelancing now cuz I've just
been noticing that a lot of like typical
jobs careers are like getting outsourced
now to freelancers because the overhead
for them is a lot lower they can drop
their costs a little bit then the
company also doesn't need to pay for
like and health benefits and whatever
other benefits they use so it's kind of
like in their best interest to do that
and you know sometimes you know they're
paying more maybe like per hour for a
freelancer but saving a lot of money
because they don't need to do deal with
any of the stuff that they deal with and
they just go okay here's the here's the
project here's the scope and you're
gonna do it for this feed I am and then
it's like easier for them to do do
business that way
I've noticed that that's been happening
a lot and there's a lot of
resources out there for freelancers to
like be able to do that so yeah I see in
like 10 years it's probably gonna be a
lot of that yeah sure you know and I
work so I work as an engineer and I
could see that easily happening yeah I
mean it already does happen to us but I
can easily see a lot of companies
stepping back from having full-time
employees to maybe only like a couple of
them and then they outsource everything
right sure um cuz yeah I already know of
companies that do that right now so so
that's cool so that's your you're
working on that kind of stuff so before
we close the show is there any like
shout outs or any kind of plugs you want
to give mmm
just follow me at at Darren our Wang and
check out my website Darren are wongkom
and dude thanks for having me I feel
like I haven't seen you in so long
yeah nobody even before the wedding I
haven't seen you in a while yeah cause
right after the wedding I moved out here
no I moved down here before the wedding
and then during the wedding we were just
planning so we were just locked up in
here and then after the wedding yeah and
then after the wedding we were like just
we didn't want to go anywhere you're
like I'm sick of the world yeah yeah
just you know yeah so we were just
chilling and then yeah we moved here and
oh no so now I'm closer to you and man
kick it more yeah so okay cool oh don't
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account tight man well it's been great
having you I'd love to have you back I
feel like I could talk to you forever
um there's tons of other stuff I can
talk to you about good luck to you good
luck to kynges man I'd love to have a
ninja outfit if you got any of them hi
I'm Jim asked I need I need a Halloween
costume so I was thinking about wearing
this for Halloween and then changing the
way that I normally dress to just be
ninja so if you got spare ninja costumes
I'm not picky just or if there's a
sponsor ninja costumes calm what's up
where you at
I need some sponsors oh please you know
I'll get paid in ninja cough okay you
can pay me and ninja stars dude or
whatever and into whatever else and then
just have smoke bombs you pay me in
smoke bomb
please oh god okay thanks thanks
everybody for listening sorry this show
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