Why ChatGPT Can’t Tell Compelling Stories (Yet) w/ John Vervaeke and Shawn Coyne (#402)

Into the Impossible With Brian Keating

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“What is it about Artificial Intelligence driving tech giants like Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and Sam Altman? Why are they racing to develop and own these thinking machines while unsure of the harm they could cause us? Can we trust nation-states and NGOs to use their totalitarian strategies when they don’t truly understand the problems we face?”

Here today to discuss this with me are John Vervaeke and Shawn Coyne, two extraordinarily bright minds in the field of artificial intelligence.

John Vervaeke is a renowned philosopher and cognitive scientist. He is an associate professor and award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto, teaching in the Department of Psychology. His work and research are far-ranging, including topics such as human intelligence, rationality, wisdom, and AI.

Shawn Coyne is a writer, editor, and publisher with over 30 years of experience. He has analyzed, acquired, edited, written, marketed, agented, or published 374 books, including dozens of bestsellers in all genres, generating more than $150,000,000 in revenue.

John and Shawn recently published Mentoring the Machines, a book in which they discuss the issues that others like to sweep under the rug. In today's episode of Into the Impossible, we'll tackle these issues with them!

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Key Takeaways:

• 00:00:00 Intro
• 00:01:31 Judging a book by its cover
• 00:08:20 Psychology, alignment, and embodiment
• 00:16:20 AI’s impact on editing and publishing
• 00:20:39 Knowledge and wisdom
• 00:30:08 The true Turing test
• 00:37:05 Conscious machines
• 00:44:26 AI’s impact on education
• 00:53:30 Tailored audiobooks for kids
• 00:58:12 Promising intersections of AI and psychology
• 01:04:04 Outro

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