139 What Does It Take to Lead 11,000 Pilots? w/ SWAPA President Casey Murray

21.FIVE - Professional Pilots Podcast

In this episode, Dylan and Max sit down with Casey Murray, President of the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (SWAPA), to discuss the challenges and triumphs of leading 10,000 pilots. From contract negotiations to managing pilot expectations, Casey sheds light on what it takes to keep a union strong and independent. Plus, we dive into the flexibility pilots enjoy at Southwest and what’s next for the airline.

Show Notes

0:00 Intro

2:12 Union Basics

10:26 Professional Standards & Negotiations

26:56 Contract Cycle & Ending Negotiations

41:05 Pilot Flexibility & Looking Ahead

54:58 Unpredictability and Industry Advice

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