Welcome to “Cybersecurity Where You Are,” the podcast of the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Cybersecurity affects us all — whether we’re online at home, managing a company, supporting clients, or running a state or local government. Join us on Wednesdays as Sean Atkinson, CISO at CIS, and Tony Sager, SVP & Chief Evangelist at CIS, discuss trends and threats, explore security best practices, and interview experts in the industry. Together, we’ll clarify these issues, creating confidenc ...
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Episode 103: Education vs. Experience in Cybersecurity
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In episode 103 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson examines education and experience as pathways for new professionals to enter the cybersecurity industry. Here are some highlights from our episode: 01:42. What's motivating Sean to talk about this topic 03:32. The value of cybersecurity degrees 05:17. The pros and cons of degree programs …
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Episode 102: The Sporty Rigor of CIS Controls Accreditation
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In episode 102 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by the following guests: Charity Otwell, Director of the CIS Critical Security Controls® (CIS Controls®) at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®) Lawrence Cruciana, President of Corporate Information Technologies (CorpInfoTech) Together, they discuss the "spor…
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Episode 101: Visualizing Attack Paths in Active Directory
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In episode 101 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by Justin Kohler, Vice President of Products at SpecterOps, and Jonathan Parfait, Technical Account Manager at SpecterOps. Together, they discuss how the visualization of attack paths in Active Directory helps organizations to better contextualize risks to their enterprise secur…
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Episode 100: Celebrating 100 Episodes and Looking Ahead
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In episode 100 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by David Bisson, Sr. Content Marketing Strategist at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they celebrate the first 100 episodes of Cybersecurity Where You Are and discuss where the podcast might go in the future. Here are some highlights from our e…
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Episode 99: How Cyber-Informed Engineering Builds Resilience
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In episode 99 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by Marcus Sachs, SVP and Chief Engineer at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss how cyber-informed engineering builds resilience to the potential failure of a digital system into new and existing engineering products. Here are some highlights from our …
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Episode 98: Transparency as a Tool to Combat Insider Threats
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In episode 98 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Roger Grimes, Data-Driven Defense Evangelist at KnowBe4. Together, they embrace transparency as a vehicle for the cybersecurity industry to better defend against insider threats. Here are some highlights from our episode: 01:28. How KnowBe4 detected an insider …
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Episode 97: How Far We've Come preceding CIS's 25th Birthday
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In episode 97 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Tony Sager is joined by the following guests: Dr. Ramon Barquin, Board Member at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®) and President and Chief Executive Officer at Barquin International Franklin Reeder, Director Emeritus and Founding Chair of CIS as well as Director of the National Cybersecurity Scho…
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Episode 96: Making Continuous Compliance Actionable for SMBs
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In episode 96 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Tarah Wheeler, CEO of Red Queen Dynamics. Together, they discuss ongoing efforts to translate continuous compliance into something actionable for small- to medium-sized businesses (SMBs). Here are some highlights from our episode: 03:11. The philosophy…
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Episode 95: AI Augmentation and Its Impact on Cyber Defense
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In episode 95 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by Randy Rose, VP of Security Operations & Intelligence at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss AI augmentation in terms of how cyber defenders are using generative artificial intelligence to enhance their capabilities. Here are some highlights from ou…
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Episode 94: Community Defense at the ISAC Annual Meeting
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In episode 94 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Tony Sager is joined by the following guests from the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®): Carlos Kizzee, SVP of Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center® (MS-ISAC®) Strategy & Plans Karen Sorady, VP of MS-ISAC Strategy & Plans Greta Noble, Director of Community Engagement Together, they dis…
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Episode 93: Keeping Societal Confidence in a Connected World
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In episode 93 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined once again by John Cohen, Executive Director of Countering Hybrid Threats at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss a whole-of-society approach to help make the U.S. public resilient against multidimensional threats in our connec…
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Episode 92: A Framework to Counter Evolving Cyber Threats
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In episode 92 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by John Cohen, Executive Director of Countering Hybrid Threats at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss "Enhancing Safety in the Connected World — A National Framework for Action," a multi-year project to help law enforcement an…
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Episode 91: What You Need to Know about CIS Controls v8.1
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In episode 91 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson is joined by Charity Otwell, Director of the CIS Critical Security Controls® (CIS Controls®) at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss what you need to know about the release of CIS Controls v8.1. Here are some highlights from our episode: 01:17. What you can expe…
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Episode 90: Migrating to the Cloud with Control Continuity
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In episode 90 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by the following guests: Charity Otwell, Director of the CIS Critical Security Controls® (CIS Controls®) at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®) Mia LaVada, Product Manager of CIS Benchmarks and Cloud at CIS Don Freeley, VP of IT Services at CIS Toget…
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Episode 89: How Threat Actors Are Using GenAI as an Enabler
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In episode 89 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by the following guests: Rian Davis, Elections Cyber Threat Intelligence Intern at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®) Timothy Davis, Sr. Elections Cyber Threat Intelligence Analyst at CIS Together, they discuss how cyber threat actors (CTAs) are using generative art…
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Episode 88: The Evolution of the Role of a CISO
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In episode 88 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson discusses the evolving role of a chief information security officer (CISO). Here are some highlights from our episode: 02:47. Why communication is a core competency for CISOs 08:35. How to take a balanced approach when evaluating an organization's implementation of artificial intel…
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Episode 87: Marking 11 Years as a Verizon DBIR Contributor
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In episode 87 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Tony Sager is joined by the following guests: Charity Otwell, Director of the CIS Critical Security Controls® (CIS Controls®) at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®) Philippe Langlois, Senior Principal, Security Risk Management and Author of the Verizon Data Breach Investigations Report (DBI…
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Episode 86 Evangelizing CIS's Message at RSAC 2024
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In episode 86 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is live once again from Booth 4319 at RSA Conference (RSAC) 2024. 00:57. Sean chats with Mat Everman, Information Security Operations Manager, about his talk, "Shades of Purple: Getting Started and Making Purple Teaming Possible." They discuss some of the questions Mat received fol…
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Episode 85: Reenergizing Collective Action at RSAC 2024
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In episode 85 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are live from Booth 4319 at RSA Conference (RSAC) 2024. Together, they discuss how events like RSAC 2024 reenergize collective action in the cybersecurity industry. They begin by noting how resources such as the CIS Community Defense Model (CDM) bring more data and …
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Episode 84: Why We Need to Define Reasonable Cybersecurity
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In episode 84 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Tony Sager is joined by Brian de Vallance, Senior Advisor at Cambridge Global Advisors; and Phyllis Lee, VP of Security Best Practices (SBP) Content Development at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss the notion of reasonable cybersecurity. They begin by providing som…
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Episode 83: Why Meeting in Person Matters to CIS Employees
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In episode 83 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by nearly 20 employees at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss the value of meeting in person to CIS workplace culture. With the company's 2024 Annual Full Staff Meeting in Orlando, FL, as their backdrop, they explore how personal relationships…
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Episode 82: How CIS Leadership Values Team Building Events
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In episode 82 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by John Gilligan, President and CEO at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®); and Gina Chapman, Chief Operating Officer at CIS. Together, they discuss the importance of in-person team building events. They use the pandemic as a frame to understand how …
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Episode 81: Exploring IAM for Identity Management Day 2024
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In episode 81 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by Daniel McIntyre, Identity and Access Management (IAM) Manager at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they acknowledge Identity Management Day 2024 with a discussion of IAM. They begin by looking at how IAM as a concept has changed over the years. They t…
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Episode 80: Advancing Common Good in Cybersecurity – Part 2
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In episode 80 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Tony Sager is once again joined by Philip Reitinger, President and CEO of Global Cyber Alliance. Together, they continue their discussion around Common Good Cyber. Tony and Philip begin by recapping the events of the Common Good Cyber Workshop on February 26–27, 2024. From there, they explore th…
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Episode 79: Advancing Common Good in Cybersecurity – Part 1
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In episode 79 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Tony Sager is joined by Philip Reitinger, President and CEO of Global Cyber Alliance. Together, they discuss the Common Good Cyber cybersecurity initiative. Tony and Philip begin by sharing the paths that brought them to the nonprofit sector. From there, Philip recounts the events and needs that…
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Episode 78: Conductors of Risk Building Harmony in Ambiguity
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In episode 78 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Tony Sager and Sean Atkinson are joined by Lisa Young, Senior Metrics Engineer at Netflix. Lisa is a long-time practitioner in the cybersecurity risk, risk quantification, and metrics field. She has a rich career and experience of putting resources towards practices that will protect, sustain, …
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Episode 77: How to Use Data to Make Cybersecurity Decisions
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In episode 77 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Roger Grimes, Data-Driven Defense Evangelist at KnowBe4. Together, they discuss how to use data to inform your decision-making in cybersecurity. They begin by discussing the cybersecurity industry's lack of maturity in its use of data. From there, they…
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Episode 76: The Role of Thought Leadership in Cybersecurity
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In episode 76 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Tony Sager is joined by Julie Morris, CEO and Co-Founder of Persona Media. Together, they discuss the role of thought leadership in cybersecurity. They begin by discussing misconceptions surrounding the notion of thought leadership. Next, they explore what thought leadership looks like in the co…
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Episode 75: How GenAI Continues to Reshape Cybersecurity
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In episode 75 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager discuss how generative artificial intelligence (GenAI) continues to reshape cybersecurity. They begin by using Episodes 48, 49, and 56 to consider the ongoing impact of GenAI on confidence, trust, and consistency as elements of a mature cybersecurity program. After …
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Episode 74: The Nexus of Cybersecurity & Privacy Legislation
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In episode 74 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by Brian de Vallance, Senior Advisor at Cambridge Global Advisors; and Carlos Kizzee, Senior Vice President (SVP) for Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center® (MS-ISAC®) Strategy & Plans at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). In recognition of Data Priva…
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Episode 73: A YIR for Our 2023 Cybersecurity Predictions
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In episode 73 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager use our 2023 cybersecurity predictions to understand how the industry changed last year. They discuss progress and challenges around Artificial Intelligence (AI), zero trust, and other key trends they and others brought up in our blog post, "Our Experts' Top Cyberse…
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Episode 72: Cybersecurity in Education as a Balancing Act
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In episode 72 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Tony Sager is joined by Phyllis Lee, VP of Security Best Practices (SBP) Content Development at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss "Cybersecurity: Practice What, and While, We Teach," a keynote panel where they discussed cybersecurity in education during Tech Tactic…
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Episode 71: Advancing K-12 Cybersecurity Through Community
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In episode 71 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Carlos Kizzee, SVP for the Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center® (MS-ISAC®) Strategy & Plans at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®); Dr. Bhargav Vyas, Assistant Superintendent for Compliance and Information Systems as well as Data P…
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Episode 70: How the Media Molds Public Perception of Infosec
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In episode 70 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by Mathew Schwartz, Executive Editor for DataBreachToday & Europe at the Information Security Media Group (ISMG). Together, they discuss the media's role in shaping public understanding and perception of infosec. They begin by considering the idea of media channels helpin…
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Episode 69: How the NCSR Assessment Sows SLTT Cyber Maturity
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In episode 69 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by Tyler Scarlotta, Manager of Member Programs at the Center for Internet Security (CIS). Together, they discuss how the Nationwide Cybersecurity Review (NCSR) helps U.S. State, Local, Tribal, and Territorial (SLTT) government organizations evaluate their cyber maturity. …
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Episode 68: Designing Cyber Defense as a Partnership Effort
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In episode 68 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by James Yeager, VP of Public Sector and Healthcare at CrowdStrike. Together, they discuss designing cyber defense as a partnership effort. They begin by reflecting on the ongoing work of CIS and CrowdStrike to advance cyber defense together. After touchi…
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Episode 67: Seizing the Moment after a Cybersecurity Audit
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In episode 67 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by Stephanie Gass, Director of Governance, Risk, and Compliance at the Center for Internet Security (CIS). Together, they discuss how to seize the moment once you've completed a cybersecurity audit. They explore the types of questions that you need to think about and the …
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Episode 66: How RABET-V Verifies Non-Voting Election Tech
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In episode 66 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Mike Garcia, Senior Cybersecurity Advisor at the Center for Internet Security (CIS), and Jared Dearing, Sr. Director of Elections Best Practices at CIS. Together, they discuss the Rapid Architecture-Based Election Technology Verification (RABET-V) prog…
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Episode 65: Making Cyber Risk Analysis Practical with QRA
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In episode 65 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by Christopher Painter, Board Member of the Center for Internet Security (CIS) and President of the Global Forum on Cyber Expertise Foundation. Together, they discuss cybersecurity risk management. They begin by discussing how cyber risk analysis fits into a business risk…
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Episode 64: Defining Your Data Management Standards
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In episode 64 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson initiates a series around establishing an underlying policy for your organization's cybersecurity program. He begins by discussing how a policy provides an overview of the business rules, or standards, that will feature in the program. With each standard, he clarifies that you can …
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Episode 63: Building Capability and Integration with SBOMs
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In episode 63 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson discusses software bills of materials (SBOMs). He uses CISA and other resources to contextualize key considerations of an SBOM, including how you can use one to understand your organization's underlying risks. From there, Sean explores how to build capability in the SBOM space. He …
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Episode 62: Inside the 'Spidey Sense' of a Pentester
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In episode 62 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson sits down with Chris Elgee, Senior Security Analyst at Counter Hack; and Erik Pursley, Technical Engineer at Counter Hack. Together, they discuss the "spidey sense" that goes into being a penetration tester. They reflect on key skills and certifications that help to make a successf…
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Episode 61: Overcoming Pre-Audit Scaries Through Governance
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In episode 61 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Stephanie Gass, Director of Governance, Risk, and Compliance. Together, they discuss the components of an effective cybersecurity risk governance program. They explore how to represent technical security questions to others, how to overcome challenges …
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Episode 60: Guiding Vendors to IoT Security by Design
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In episode 60 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by Kathleen Moriarty, CTO at the Center for Internet Security (CIS); Ben Carter, Internet of Things (IoT) specialist at CIS; and Kaitlin Drape, Research and Innovation Process Lead at CIS. Together, they discuss a white paper they recently released that guides IoT vendors…
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Episode 59: Probing the Modern Role of the Pentest
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In episode 59 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Ed Skoudis, founder of the SANS Penetration Testing Curriculum and Counter Hack. Together, they discuss the value of penetration testing – all while CIS as an organization is undergoing a pentest! They begin by considering the historical perspective of…
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Episode 58: Inside CIS's Award-Winning Workplace Culture
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In episode 58 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by more than a dozen Center for Internet Security (CIS) employees during the company's 2023 Full Staff Meeting at the Sagamore Resort. Together, they discuss the collaborative nature of CIS's award-winning workplace culture. Using the Full Staff Meeting as a lens, each em…
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Episode 57: Celebrating the 20th Anniversary of the MS-ISAC!
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In episode 57 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by the following guests: William Pelgrin, Founder and Former Chair of the MS-ISAC; Thomas Duffy, Former Senior VP Of Operations and Services at the MS-ISAC; and Karen Sorady, VP of MS-ISAC Stakeholder Engagement Division. Together, they celebrate the 20th…
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Episode 56: Cybersecurity Risks and Rewards of LLMs
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In episode 56 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson is joined by Dr. Paulo Shakarian, Associate Professor at the School of Computing, Informatics, and Decision Systems Engineering (CIDSE) at Arizona State University. Together, they discuss the cybersecurity implications of large language models (LLMs) like ChatGPT-3. They first look…
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Episode 55: Live at RSA Conference 2023
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In episode 55 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson speaks with experts in attendance at RSA Conference 2023. He asks nearly a dozen different attendees to share their impressions of the event. They explain how someone can get the most out of being at RSA and what made this year's conference stand out compared to previous years. (Sp…
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Episode 54: How to Get Started in Cybersecurity
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In episode 54 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-host Sean Atkinson addresses how to get started in cybersecurity. He begins by looking at the different types of hard skills and soft skills that form the foundation of any cybersecurity career. Next, he draws upon his expertise to offer advice around certifications, learning a programming language, …
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