Sacramental Whine an Independent Sacramental Movement Podcast is about the "Independent Sacramental Movement," which is a branch within Christianity rooted in the Catholic and Eastern/Oriental Orthodox branches of the Mystical Body of Christ. The host of the show is David Oliver Kling, a bishop within the Ancient Apostolic Church of Alexandria (https://aacofa.org/). +Oliver is a graduate of Wright State University with a BA in Philosophy and a BA in Religious Studies, a Master of Divinity wi ...
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Unity but not Uniformity with Robert Ponsford
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Welcome to Episode 115! In this episode I interviewed Robert Ponsford. Robert Ponsford is an Independent Episcopal Bishop with the Anglican Protestant Church which is the Anglican Ordinance of the United Episcopal Catholic Communion and a part of the Episcopal Free Communion. Links: Sacramental Whine: Chronicling the Independent Sacramental Movemen…
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Encouraging Clergy with Joel Dooley
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Welcome to episode 114, in this episode I have the honor of speaking with Bishop Joel Dooley. Bishop Joel is the Primate of the Old Catholic Spirit Filled Church World Wide. His passion for the Gospel and the Sacramental understanding is evident, as he talks with people of different faiths and backgrounds about the love of the Father, Son, and Holy…
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Incarnational Courage with Merrick Moses
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Welcome to episode 113, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Brother Merrick Moses. Brother Merrick Moses is an ordained Old Catholic Benedictine priest and monk, writer, community activist, and preacher living in Baltimore, MD. This native New Yorker is a graduate of Morgan State University with a Bachelor of Science degree in Psycholo…
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Howard Thurman and Martin Luther King, Jr
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Welcome to episode 112! In this episode I explore the mysticism of Howard Thurman and the pragmatism of Martin Luther King, Jr. In seminary I (David Oliver Kling) specialized in Black Church and African Diaspora Studies and the theology of Thurman and King were the focus of my research. I believe the Independent Sacramental Movement can learn a lot…
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Explore with Shaun McCann
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Welcome to episode 111, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Bishop Shaun McCann, also known as Patriarch Iohannes IV of the Apostolic Johannite Church. Originally consecrated on December 22nd, 2002 as Bishop of Alberta, Iohannes IV was shortly thereafter elevated to Patriarch and Primate of the Apostolic Johannite Church and has served…
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Synod on Synodality with Gregory Godsey
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Welcome to episode 110, in this episode I welcome back Bishop Gregory Godsey. He is the presiding bishop of the Old Catholic Churches International and a friend. In this episode we talk about the Synod on Synodality and a recent post on social media of interest to those within the Independent Sacramental Movement. Links: Sacramental Whine: Chronicl…
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Introduction to the 4th Way
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Welcome to episode 109. In this episode I present a sermon I preached titled, "An Introduction to the 4th Way." Before the sermon I talk about ordination and consecration from an essay I had written back in 2004 and after the sermon I have some final thoughts. Links: Sacramental Whine: Chronicling the Independent Sacramental Movement Vol. 1! Sacram…
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Christian Animism and Bridge Building with Shawn Sanford Beck
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Welcome to episode 108, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing the Reverend Shawn Sanford Beck. The Rev. Shawn Sanford Beck is an ecumenical Christian priest in the Anglican tradition, and a member of the Order of Bards, Ovates, and Druids. He is the author of Christian Animism, and the founder of the Ecumenical Companions of Sophia, an i…
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On Martin Luther and his lies with Tom Bryant
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Welcome to episode 107, in this episode I welcome back Bishop Tom Bryant. He was first on the podcast back in episode 97. Bishop Tom is a bishop within the Independent Old Catholic Church, a parish pastor, and an educator. It is great to have him back. Links: Sacramental Whine: Chronicling the Independent Sacramental Movement Vol. One. Sacramental …
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All About Sacraments with Timothy Olivieri
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Welcome to episode 106! In this episode, I welcome back Father Timothy Olivieri. I first had Father Tim on the podcast back in episode 47 when he was a postulant with the Community of Saint George. Then he was on episode 58 when he was a subdeacon, and again in episode 84. Father Tim was ordained to the priesthood in October 2021 and it is an honor…
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Putting Down Roots with Peter Preble
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Welcome to Episode 105, in this episode I have the honor of welcoming back the Very Reverend Doctor Peter-Michael Preble, a priest with the Independent Old Catholic Church and a true renaissance man. Monsignor Preble was initially interviewed in episode 96 and it is an honor to have him back. Links: Sacramental Whine: Chronicling the Independent Sa…
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Breaking the Rules with Linda Rounds Nichols
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Welcome to episode 104, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Bishop Linda Rounds-Nichols. Although not recognized as such at the time, Linda’s first call to the ministry may have been when she wasn’t yet a teenager. Since no one saw that situation as a call, she followed another dream and became an educator: first a teacher, then a coun…
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Empowered to Glorify God with Rick Saint
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Welcome to episode 103, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Bishop Rick Saint. Originally from the southern United States, Bishop Rick Saint is currently based in Thailand. The son of a protestant pastor, he grew up in church. Feeling a call to ministry as a teen, he attended Southeastern University for his undergraduate degree before …
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Let them drink Milk with Pamela Joy Giese
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Welcome to episode 102, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Bishop Pamela Joy Giese. Please consider supporting this podcast by purchasing the books based upon it. The books are titled “Sacramental Whine: Chronicling the Independent Sacramental Movement Volume 1 and Volume 2.” You can find them on Amazon and the easiest way to location…
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Removing the Straightjacket with Mark Townsend
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In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing the Reverend Mark Townsend. He is the author of several books including “Jesus through Pagan Eyes,” and “Diary of a Heretic.” Mark was ordained in The Church of England in 1996. However, in July 2010 he decided to resign his Anglican orders and move over to an Independent Sacramental Church. It was …
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Opening the Books with Edward Jarvis
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Welcome to episode 100, the countdown to 100 is complete! I am delighted to have as my guest Edward Jarvis. Edward Jarvis (born in Yorkshire, England, 1975) is the author of several books including Carlos Duarte Costa: Testament of a Socialist Bishop and Sede Vacante: The Life and Legacy of Archbishop Thuc. Edward has a mixed ancestry which include…
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Do your Discernment with Theodore Feldmann
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Welcome to episode 99, the countdown to episode 100 continues! In this episode I have the honor of interviewing Bishop Theodore Feldmann! Bishop Theodore Feldmann is a retired professional pastoral musician and serves the Ordinariate of Divine Providence in the Ascension Alliance. He teaches courses in the Ascension Theological College: New Cosmolo…
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Inestimable Worth with Andrew Miller
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Welcome to episode 98, the count-down to episode 100 continues! In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing Father Andrew Miller. Andrew Miller is an ordained priest in the Celtic-Rite Old Catholic Church He came to organized religion as a teenager when he converted to Mormonism at age 16 where he discovered a love for Theology. While Studyin…
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Sacred Privilege with Tom Bryant
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Welcome to episode 97, the countdown to episode 100 continues, and in this episode, I have the honor of interviewing Bishop Tom Bryant. Of all the titles that clergy can use, Tom Bryant loves “Pastor” the most. It combines the role of shepherding and loving a particular people with the function of leading through Word and Sacrament. Bishop Bryant w…
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Benedictine and Orthodox with Peter Preble
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Welcome to episode 96, the countdown to episode 100 continues! In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing the Very Reverend Doctor Peter-Michael Preble. Monsignor Preble received an Associates's and bachelor’s degree from Eastern Nazarene College in Quincy, Massachusetts. He received his seminary training at the Holy Cross Greek Orthodox Sch…
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Understanding the Convergence Movement!
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Welcome to episode 95, the countdown to episode 100 is on! Can you believe we are only 5 episodes away from 100! In this episode, I will be talking about the Convergence Movement and have as my guests Father Kevin Daugherty and Father Michaelangelo D’Arrigo. The Reverend Father Kevin Daugherty is a priest and an Elder and Secretary-Treasurer within…
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Oriental and Occidental as One with Christopher Maximus
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Welcome to Episode 94, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Deacon Christopher Maximus. Deacon Christopher Maximus – essential grocery worker by day, former Boy Scout, semi-retired Drag Queen, grateful alcoholic, human rights activist, seminarian, and Deacon. As a teenager, Christopher found God’s grace and love in his local Eastern Ort…
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Christian Mysticism with Kathleen Ostlie
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Welcome to Episode 93, in this episode I have the honor of welcoming back Acolyte Kathleen Ostlie. She was initially a guest on the podcast a little over a year ago and it is great to have her back. Kathleen Ostlie, is in minor orders as an acolyte in the Apostolic Johannite Church; she has a love for writing, studying philosophy, and connecting wi…
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Old Catholic vs Independent Catholic with Kevin Daugherty
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Welcome to Episode 92, in this episode I welcome back Father Kevin Daugherty. I’ve had Father Kevin on the podcast before, but since it has been a while let me introduce him again. Fr. Kevin Daugherty is a priest and a New Monastic, from Lincoln, Pennsylvania. Fr. Kevin is an Elder and Secretary-Treasurer within the Convergent Christian Communion, …
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Lover of Humanity with Robert Caruso
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Welcome to Episode 91, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Chaplain Robert Caruso. Chaplain Robert W. Caruso is a native of Chicago, Illinois. Chaplain Caruso earned a Bachelor of Arts degree from Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota with a double major in Philosophy and Legal Studies. He went on and earned a Master of Divinity with…
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Catholic but Reformed with Shaun Ake Little
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Welcome to episode 89. In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing Father Shaun Ake-Little. Father Shaun was recently ordained to the priesthood this past June within the Progressive Catholic Church by Bishop Joseph Ciccone. He was informally in formation with another jurisdiction for about 8 years before attending seminary at Ascension Theol…
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Be the Calm in the Storm with Jason Sanderson
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Welcome to episode 89, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Archbishop Jason Sanderson. Bishop Jason was born in Vermont, and from the age of 18 was involved with the Independent Catholic/Orthodox movement, first being part of an Old Calendar Greek Orthodox monastery, before being transferred to a bishop in the American Orthodox Church.…
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Proper Action with William Eddy
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Welcome to Episode 88, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Father William Eddy. Father William was ordained a priest in October of 2018 within the Ascension Alliance, and he has lived an eclectic spiritual life. At eight he challenged his Sunday school teacher. He had intuitively known that what was being told to him was not the truth.…
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Ah ha Moments with Laura Hayes Marsh
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Welcome to episode 87, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing seminarian Laura Hayes Marsh. Laura Hayes Marsh is currently a Seminarian with Ascension Alliance at Ascension Theological College. She has worn many hats in life such as mother, divorcée, and widow. Her previous educational pursuits include an associate degree in Chemistry and…
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Sacramental Justice with Cathy Chalmers
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Welcome to episode 86! In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing the Most Reverend Cathy Chalmers. Bishop Cathy is a bishop in the Ascension Alliance/Community of Ascensionists, and a Board Certified Chaplain (BCC) under the auspices of the Association of Professional Chaplains (APC/BCCI). She works full time as a professional healthcare ch…
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A Pastor's Heart with James St George
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Welcome to Episode 85, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing the Right Reverend Bishop, Friar James Michael St. George, also known as Father or Friar Jim. Friar Jim, serves as a Bishop within the Old Catholic Churches International and is the Bishop of the Diocese of Saint Bernard of Clairvaux (which includes Pennsylvania, New Jersey, an…
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Institution Building with Tim Olivieri
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Welcome to Episode 84, in this episode I have the pleasure of welcoming back the Reverend Subdeacon Tim Olivieri. I initially interviewed Tim in episode 47 and had him back in episode 58. We talk about Institution Building, nonprofit status, 501c3, and the offering of ecclesiastical degrees. Links: Convergent Streams: The Premier ISM Magazine. This…
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Church Planting 101 with Taylor Tracy
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Welcome to episode 83, In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing Deacon Taylor Tracy. He is a deacon within the Progressive Catholic Church and, after years of formation with many unexpected and exciting turns, he is slated to be ordained to the priesthood on Saturday, February 13, 2021. Deacon Taylor’s love for ministry began at an early a…
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Life and Legacy of Arnold Harris Mathew
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Welcome to episode 82! In this episode, I discuss the life and legacy of Archbishop Arnold Harris Mathew, a Grandfather of the Independent Sacramental Movement. Links: Convergent Streams: The Premier ISM Magazine. This podcast is hosted by David Oliver Kling and is produced by the Community of Saint George (a Young Rite jurisdiction).…
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Fool for God with Mir Plemmons
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Welcome to episode 81! In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing Deacon Mir Plemmons. Chaplain Mir Plemmons is a brand-new Deacon in the Ecumenical Catholic Communion and a Novice of the Order of Ecumenical Franciscans. He has been a Franciscan for 28 years and has served as a chaplain for 34 years. He and his wife live *almost* far enough …
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Metanoia Reactions with Michaelangelo D'Arrigo
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Welcome to Episode 80! Hard to believe we have been around for 80 episodes. I’m excited to be interviewing The Reverend Canon Michaelangelo D’Arrigo. The Reverend Canon Michaelangelo D'Arrigo lives in the Metropolitan Atlanta, Georgia, area with his wife, Claudia, a Therapeutic Massage Therapist, son, D'Mitri, a high schooler, two doggies, and a ca…
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Be who you are with Joseph Grieboski
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Welcome to episode 79, in this episode I have the honor of interviewing Father Joseph Grieboski. His bio is long, but I didn’t know what to cut out so want to share it all with you. I think you will find his story fascinating. Joseph K. Grieboski is a social entrepreneur whose innovative ideas have revolutionized thinking across a number of fields.…
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Be a Priest with Brian Ashmankas
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Welcome to Episode 78! In this episode, I have the honor of speaking with Brian Ashmankas. Brian is a native of central Massachusetts. He is a former politician and former Roman Catholic seminarian for the Diocese of Worcester. He has two master’s degrees, one in political science and the other in theology. He was dismissed from sponsorship by the …
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Welcome to Episode 77. In this episode, I, David Oliver Kling, will be talking about what is a chaplain? I have been working as a full-time hospice chaplain since December of 2013 and prior to my work in hospice, I completed 4 units of Clinical Pastoral Education as a chaplain resident at St. Mary’s Medical Center in Huntington, West Virginia. What…
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Take Your Time with Karen Gordon
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Welcome to Episode 76! In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing Deacon Karen Gordon. Deacon Karen Gordon is a student for the priesthood in the United American Catholic Church. She is a veteran of the US Navy having served from 1984 until 1989. She has worked for the University of Tennessee at Memphis in the office of the Dean of Students,…
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Mature Step Forward with Jerry Maynard
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Welcome to episode 75! In this episode, I welcome back Father Jerry Maynard. Back in episode 73 I had Father Jerry on the podcast, and we were going to talk about something he is passionate about, but I changed the script on him, and we talked about a question presented on the Sacramental Whine Facebook group. I wanted to have Father Jerry back on …
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Seeking Integration with J Richard Paszkiewicz
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Welcome to Episode 74! In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing Dr. Richard Paszkiewicz. Dr. J. Richard Paszkiewicz (in ecclesia The Most Venerable Sunyananda Dharmacarya) is a priest, psychotherapist, martial artist, healer, chef, writer, and academic. In addition to being ordained in the Independent Sacramental Movement, Dr. Paszkiewicz …
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In the Same Chapter with Jerry Maynard
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Episode 73! In this episode, I am joined by the Rev. Jerry Maynard as we address a question proposed by Bryan Bombardier on the Sacramental Whine Facebook group. Bryan posted: A thought from the cheap seats on the past few podcast episodes: "I have listened to the podcast for a while now and really appreciate the hard work. The past few episodes ha…
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The Greatest Danger with James Ishmael Ford
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Welcome to Episode 72! In this episode, I have the honor of speaking with the Reverend James Ishmael Ford. The Reverend James Ishmael Ford has walked the spiritual path for more than fifty years. He's danced with Sufis, studied with Gnostics, lived in a Buddhist monastery and was ordained a Zen priest. Later he was also ordained as a Unitarian Uni…
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Welcome to Episode 71! In this episode, I take a moment to reflect on recent events in the United States surrounding the death of George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter movement. Included are statements from three different ISM communities: Apostolic Catholic Church in America. Advocates of St. Sebastian. Reformed Catholic Church via LGBTQ Organiz…
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Trouble with Train-Wrecks with Gregory Godsey
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Welcome to Episode 70! In this episode, I have the honor of welcoming back Bishop Gregory Godsey. He is the first on the podcast back in episode 19 and I am glad he is back! Gregory is the presiding bishop of the Old Catholic Churches International and the editor in chief of Convergent Streams: The Premier ISM Magazine. In this episode, we talk abo…
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Best of Both Worlds with Jason Spadafore
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Episode 69! In this episode, I have the honor of welcoming back to the podcast an old friend, Jason Spadafore. I interviewed him back in episode 15 and I wanted to have him back to see what sorts of mischief we could come up with. Jason writes under the pen name “Agostino Taumaturgo.” He has been a student of Christian spirituality and esotericism …
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Old Catholicism, Liberal Catholic Church, & the Community of Saint George
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Welcome to episode 68. In this episode, I share the audio portion of a YouTube video I created on the Community of Saint George. Discussed is the origin of the Old Catholic Union and the Liberal Catholic Church, the Young Rite, and the founding of the Community of Saint George. I don’t want this to seem like an infomercial for the Community of Sain…
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What every priest needs with David Jones
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Welcome to Episode 67! In this episode, I have guest host Father (and bishop-elect) David Jones who talks about what every priest should have or should at least be thinking about! Fr. David first appeared on this podcast in Episode 41: Radical Incarnation with David Jones. Sponsor: Convergent Streams: The Premier ISM Magazine. Links: Catholic Litur…
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Faith in a time of Pandemic with Bruce Epperly
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Welcome to episode 66! In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing the Reverend Doctor Bruce Epperly. A Theologian, pastor, spiritual guide, author, and recognized leader in lay and pastoral faith formation, Bruce Epperly serves as Pastor at South Congregational Church, United Church of Christ, Centerville, MA, and professor in the D.Min. pro…
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