How to Buy and Sell Real Estate, Tax Free

Real Estate Marketing Dude

In today's market, we should all seek to be investor friendly, especially as agents. We are looking at how investing is a great way to accumulate tax free real estate.

Mat has been at the forefront of the Self-Directed IRA industry since 2006. He’s CEO of Directed IRA, a partner at KKOS Lawyers, a national speaker, a top-ranked podcast host, a best-selling author, and a self-directed retirement investor. Mat is a VIP Contributor at Entrepreneur and is an expert author at Cryptopedia.

Three Things You’ll Learn in This Episode

• The benefits of real estate investing.
• What is the best way to make your money earn money?
• How to avoid taxes on real estate investing.

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So how do you track new business, you constantly don't have to chase it. Hi, I'm Mike Cuevas to real estate marketing. And this podcast is all about building a strong personal brand people have come to know, like trust and most importantly, refer. But remember, it is not their job to remember what you do for a living. It's your job to remind them. Let's get started

What's up ladies and gentlemen, welcome another episode of the real estate marketing dude, podcast, market shifted, folks, we're gonna talk about something not so much on marketing today. I mean, I guess it can be, but more so on skill sets, something very important, I believe is gonna be coming up into the market. And although interest rates went down to 5%, I still don't think we're at the end of this thing. Yeah, do you guys, I'm almost positive, I could tell you that, but I can't predict the future. I've seen a couple shifts in my age. But what one of the skills I'm getting out is, whatever you're gonna decide to do, you need to become investor friendly. If the only types of transactions you guys are creating are just residential buy, sell and moves, you're gonna be missing a major opportunity in the upcoming market. Because the reality is, is that the real estate industry has a large shortage of investor friendly agents. Most agents aren't even know what the fuck we're talking about right here when we start talking about this. And if I didn't personally know someone who taught me all this stuff, like five or six years ago, I would be completely lost. But how cool would it be? If you were able to teach your clients, all people, anyone you knew how to buy tax free real estate, and not pay any taxes on it at all? Because that's basically what self directed IRA investing is. I'm gonna tee up and I don't know what Matt here is gonna talk about. We just met like, what how long goes like two minutes ago? Yeah, I'm great, though. I'm gonna dumb this down for everybody. Okay, and just break this down in human language. So I know Matt's an attorney and get into these big terms and stuff. So I'm gonna put them in real estate terms. We call them layman's. Alright, so all this says you can build you can install certain amount of money into a Roth. And after that Roth is season season, he'll define what season means you can literally treat it like a bank account that doesn't get taxed. Is that a fair statement? Yeah, the number one way to make money in the US tax free and not go to prison. The number one thing people are gonna be looking for is an agent that understands this type of skill set one of them all the investors skill sets. And even the rookie investors, this is how you pull them in once you know more than what they do. Great. That's the whole point of having a fucking license to begin with, and having a job you guys. So without further ado, we're gonna go ahead and introduce our guests as an expert here at the top book on self directed investing and IRAs. And you want to take notes on this episode, because you don't get hired for what the hell you do you get hired for how you do it. Matt, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the listeners here who may not know you yet? Why don't you say hello and tell them a little bit about what you do. And I got a bunch of questions for you. Yeah, love it. Thanks for having me. I love this topic. I'm Matt Sorenson. I'm an attorney wrote the number one book the self directed IRA handbook. In the field, I self direct my own retirement account, my IRA and 401 K's into real estate. I've been doing this since 2006, for clients, and I'll give you an example of my first client I did this with that was the whole reason I got into this space and specialized in it. But I have a Ira company where a trust company called directed IRA, we have over a billion assets primarily invested in real estate. So you know, every day we're opening 3040 new accounts, the majority of which are buying real estate, there's $30 trillion in the US in retirement accounts. $30 trillion. So for anyone listening, like, I don't care if you have zero money in retirement accounts, and you're like, This isn't for me, I don't have $1 in an IRA or 401k. Yeah, but everyone else does your potential clients do other people that can fund deals for you do? And then for those either in the real estate space, wouldn't it be nice if you could invest tax deferred, or tax free dollars like IRA and 401, K's into something you actually know, like real estate instead of buying a stock bond or mutual fund. So it's a huge topic, huge topic. It's where all the money's at so. So everybody's got to know this.

Exactly right, dude. So here's what I want to start with. Because I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you questions based upon what I'm pretty positive. A lot of the agents don't know, just so they understand how this process works. Alright, so forgive me if I asked you. So first first question I have on this is

you just sort of said it. Why is it important for real estate agents and lenders to know about what a self directed IRA is? Why the hell do I need to know that? Yeah, well, if you have your own retirement account, wouldn't it be nice to invest it in what you know? I mean, if you're in the real estate space, you have a competitive advantage to see deals and opportunities. You know, I used to teach classes to the Realtors Association all the time. I'd ask people how

Many of you have an IRA or 401k, like two thirds of the room, raise your raise, how many of your IRA or 401, k's are invested in, in mutual funds, as you know that same groups hands still up? How many of you know a good mutual fund that you're excited to buy and you think is going to make you money? Everyone puts their hand down? Like how many of you know a real estate deal? You think you can make money on? The frickin whole classroom goes up, let alone people don't even have an IRA or 401 K, I'm like, why are you not investing in what you know? Like, you're like LeBron James, playing ping pong go dominate what you're good at, like, you're gonna get better return. So if you're in the real estate space, this is you actually have a huge advantage over everyone else to make money in these specialty accounts. And when we say there's a self directed IRA, and there's an IRA, and correct me if I'm wrong, but an IRA is like when you get a financial planner, like, Hey, do give me like, 10% of your money, and I need to go invest it. And then these guys go out there, and then they put it in some kind of computer algorithm or whatnot, and they're trading all these stocks, you get statements for it, no one knows what the fuck they may or say, or when your expenses were made. You don't know it. But you know, I've a lot of financial planner, friends, but self is like you control your own investments. That's the difference, right? You could invest into like a financial planner and have like a, what's it called, like, creating a mutual account? I guess, is that the word?

But or you could control your own destiny by investing that self RA into hard assets? You can buy gold with them, can you silver, you could you can lend that money as a lending source. So I could lend someone 10 grand and charge them 12 and get back to 20% interest. You know, you could do whatever you want you direct the investments. Right? Yeah, I think the easiest way is self directed IRA is basically an IRA that can invest in any asset allowed by law. So like, there's 30 companies that do what we do. We're the best directed IRA, you don't need to know anyone else. And look us up, you know, check our reviews versus our competitors and our fees and everything. I don't think anybody's even close to us. But if you let's say you have an IRA at Fidelity or TD Ameritrade and you call it fidelity or TD Ameritrade you say, hey, I want to buy real estate with my IRA. They're gonna be like, you can't do it. And it's not because IRAs can't do it. It's because fidelity IRAs and TD Ameritrade, IRAs can't do it like their broker dealers, they let you buy what they sell, they don't sell real estate, they're gonna let make you click a button to buy something they sell, which is stocks, bonds and mutual funds. So you have to just move that account. So if you're at fidelity, and you have a Roth IRA, they're buying stocks or mutual funds, and you got 100 grandson over there, and you're like, Oh, I'd rather put this 100 grand on a real estate deal. I want to be a private money lender to somebody doing a flip whatever the case may be. We just transfer that 100 grand from Fidelity over to your Roth IRA directed, which is self directed and will let you do real estate. I mean, other stuff. You mentioned precious metals, like gold and silver. Clients about crypto, I have clients on a Mexican soccer team with their IRA, racehorse sauce, avocado farms, like weird stuff. But these are people that are into that they know that space and they invest in what they know. That's a good point is like, I don't know anything about the stock market like nothing, zilch, zero, like I just don't, I wouldn't invest in it because of that, because I don't like not being in control.

Okay, but getting started off isn't like when you're just starting. So let's just say I'm a real estate agent or lender, I'm somewhere around the home in Ohio.

How does it how do I start, you could have an IRA and I could actually convert it into a self? And then once I have the self, like how much money can I contribute? If I don't have an IRA already, so you could you could convert an existing IRA, or you have to start from scratch if you don't have one yet walk me through that process. Okay, 80% of people who self direct and are going to do real estate with an IRA or 401 K, already have retirement account money, they got an old employer 401k, they've had for 10 or 20 years, and they're rolling that over, or they already got an IRA at TD Ameritrade or fidelity. And so for those ones, it's the easiest, because let's just take the money you have or the piece of it, you want to self direct, and you just do what's called a transfer a trustee to trustee transfer, you set up a self directed IRA with the self directed IRA custodian for my company's case, directed IRA, and then we go request that money from TD Ameritrade or fidelity. Now if you're zero, though, and you're like, I haven't seen anything, and this is common for real estate agents, yeah, you know, a lot. I've never had a yeah, get a 401 K, you know, I don't have the 401k that coming out of their paycheck. For any real estate agents, the best option is what's called a solo 401 K. This is basically a 401k, you get a set up for yourself. And it's actually an awesome plan because you can put $66,000 A year into this thing. It could be Roth or traditional or you could mix it up between Roth and traditional

solar, okay. It's not to interrupt you, but say that the dollar amount I can invest because you can pick how much money you want to invest in IRA. There's rules put in each year. It right from one end, unless it's income from the investment, right. Exactly. Yeah. So like income from the investment is unlimited. Like you could be Peter Thiel, who has a $6 billion Roth IRA. You know, my largest client has a 300 million Roth IRA

A. And you know, there's no cap on how much you can make in these accounts. But there is a cap on how much you get to put in each year, that's kind of your investment capital, you can only put in so much every year. And in the IRA space at 6500 bucks, this is the new number for 2023. It used to be 6000 for many years, but starting now in 2023, you can put 6500 bucks in an IRA. Well, if I'm a real estate agent, I mean, I got some you can do a 6500 bucks, I'll give you some examples of clients that have hit homeruns with that. But if you're like, Well, I want to buy a rental property or I want to do something else, well do the solo 401 K, because you can put $66,000 a year in this. It's basically a 401k plan for someone self employed with no other employees. And so that's a very popular option, then new real estate clients is that a consumer option, probably about 12 years ago is when it came around. Yeah, sometimes called an individual K or individual, individual 401k. And that's 60. You guys, you guys, this is tax, this is you write this off to Yeah, if you want to do traditional. So remember, like in the retirement space, you got traditional dollars, where I'm getting a write off today, if I put 66 grand in it, I get a $66,000 tax deduction on my tax return. If I max it out. Now, the rules on how you contribute, you'd have to have made about 180 grand approximately, to max out and do 66 grand, but as long as you did, that's a 66,000 Our tax section, or you could be like, I don't care about tax deductions. Now. I'd rather have a Roth account, where I put that 66 grand in no tax deduction, but this thing grows and comes out tax free in retirement. Because remember, when you do a traditional IRA or 401 K, you get a tax deduction when you put the money in which you love. Now, later in retirement, when you start drawing on it, you're paying taxes on the way out, you got to pick which one you want. And there's debates on which one's better. And I would, I would guess, the majority of realtors are gonna go to solo route just because it most people don't, they don't already have an established investment most times set up. But I speak into real estate professionals, nine times out of 10 That's what you should be doing. I just focused on the solo form. Okay, I got a whole chapter in my book. We have webinars and podcasts on our website, just specific to the soul. Okay.

I like the idea of just because, you know, the here's how I see that I see this as a marketing thing I see is from an agent's perspective, that is, I see it as a positioning thing, and all of that because I know you guys are probably talking to the number one guy right here that knows about what's coming up in the real estate market because he's got the smartest money in the fucking world. And he's investing with it. So all his clients, I'm sure informing you, you're probably a real estate geek to my guess.

What's what's what's gonna, the reason why I see this as tell me if you think I'm right or wrong. But the reason I see this for you guys of making this such a advantage is because people are going to be looking to invest when the market shifts, and they already are starting to just people are too scared to buy in the beginning of a shift. That's like the dumbest investing move ever. You wait till we hit bottom of that shift, and then people gonna start buying. But if you get out of that ahead right now, you know, agents and lenders always have homebuyer seminars, I'd have home investor seminars, like most of the investors don't know how this is the day you show me how to make money and save money and screw over the government is the day you have my business. Yeah, right. Because that's a win win. Really, right? Yeah, IRS gets nothing. We get to keep it all. So, you know, I think

this like, this is a tool, right? These retirement accounts, which think of it in many different ways on how you can access it. One is, if you're doing deals yourself, and I have lots of real estate clients that are they're in the business of real estate every year, whether they're a broker or a developer, contractor, whatever. Like they see stuff like they're just out there to see things. But the retirement accounts like this tool, and sometimes your mentality can be I'm use other people's retirement accounts to fund my deals. I had I did a podcast, or sorry, a webinar about a month ago with one of my clients. He did 250 flips here in Phoenix. 60% of his money came from IRAs and 401 K's like the majority of the funding on his flips, which was this is purchase money and rehab was from retirement accounts. And that's just because he knows the strategy. I had another client a real estate fund

that never raised from retirement accounts. Well, we did a webinar to their investor group. And we basically taught them how you can use your retirement account to invest into their next real estate fund. We opened over 300 accounts in two months for those people investing into that font there. Like we didn't even have to go to new people. We just talked to the existing people we already knew. And if you're a real estate professional, how many clients do you already have that you've done so far? That never knew they could buy real estate with an IRA or 401k They've already used you for business before just talk to them you don't need a new client. Just think of how they can use this money to buy real estate which is what most people love and trust over mutual funds in the stock market. So

is it safe opportunity in this? Is it safe to say like, Look,

you create a buyer's list guys no differently than

A wholesaler would or an investor would. And that buyers list is, you know, the what's great about these markets that are coming, everyone's so scared.

This is when you take advantage, this is when things shift. This is when you get positioning, market share, and all the above because in a shift like this, the best client is the one who doesn't give a shit about the GFCI outlets are the light bulb not working, or the toilet fucking ring, whatever. It's annoying if you want to deal with $15 GFCI outlets and go ahead. But the difference is, is that the investor will buy multiple properties per year, whereas the client you sold the house to you're gonna have to wait another six to nine years until they frickin need to sell that. So you're looking at leverage if you're looking at smart business, you guys at the end of the day, plus there's no emotion involved. I would assume that most people that have a Roth IRA just jump on a deal with one pops up. Yeah, yeah, they jump on a deal. And some people like investing in different things. You know, like, like me, I buy more long term buy and hold stuff. Rental and I do some private money lending. I'll tell you one client I had this was what made me decide to specialize in this field period, I was helping some clients buy real estate. But I had a client that had a Roth IRA with about 10,000 bucks in it, he was a real estate developer. And there was a piece of land, he wanted to get an option on. And he knew that this land, what was going to happen was the state and the city were going to put a freeway exit in, they already planned it in the next three years. And so he knew that this property is going to go from agricultural to like freeway commercial. What he did is he went to the landowner that had land right next to it, there was how to for agricultural use, he put an option on the property from his Roth IRA. So what is his Roth IRA did is he opened up the Roth IRA, he transferred money from wherever the brokerage Roth account IRA, he had before moved into his self directed Roth IRA, and then his Roth IRA paid 5000 bucks for the rights to purchase this property in a five year window. Now, at the time, the agricultural property is worth like 350. So my client offered the guy 450 grand, he said, Now you gotta give me five years to buy it. And if I don't, you keep my 5000 bucks. But if I do, I get to buy at the 450 price. Well, freeway exit comes in this property is now worth over over one and a half million dollars. And he sells the option for over a million dollar profit. Now this was this client, I just remember this like, vividly because he, I saw it through to the close a few years later, and this million bucks going back to his Roth IRA off a $5,000 investment. Nuts, he was pissed off, this client was pissed off, because he's like, You know what, I had the big law firm, the Big Four CPA firm, the financial advisor, they all knew I frickin know how to make money in real estate, they see my tax returns, they talk to me, that's where all my money comes from. And no one told me I could use a Roth IRA and pay zero tax on it. Like, he's like, this is an amazing tool. And he's got a 10 million plus account now with us. But like, that's a good example of, you know, just someone who's, you know, if your audience here's like real estate people in the real estate space every day, just using this tool to keep more of what he made, because like, you know, my client would have paid a lot of taxes on now he, you know, the IRS and the state would have got a pretty hefty check for the profits on that. You gotta keep it all. That's awesome. Okay, so let's keep moving on to this piece. Yeah. So

tell me about when when can I withdraw? Is there still seasoning rule on this? Are you can you invest? When can you actually withdraw

money out of these accounts. So the general rule of thumb is, these are, this is long term wealth building. So until you hit 59 and a half, you're not pulling money out. So if you're a real estate, I'm not saying and you're 40 years old, I'm not saying do everything in this account. But for your long term wealth building in the most tax efficient way, be buying real estate with your retirement account, still be doing stuff personally. But there is a long term wealth aspect to it, you got to think about now on the other hand, you know, as I gave the example of my client that flipped 250 Plus houses, you know, he was doing that personally, like, this is just his S corporation, buying and flipping houses, that other people's IRAs were funding the deal. So to him, this topic is super powerful, not for his own account, but just so we can make money today, he's just using other people's money that happens to be in retirement accounts. Because those people you know, if you think about like the people, you know, that are going to cut a deal to invest 100,000 Plus, it's most likely it's not in a savings account or investment account, they're more likely to have this in an old IRA or 401 K account sitting around that they're bored with that they're dying to invest in something that could give them a 10% return, you know, like as a hard money lender, so.

So I every is a little different on how they approach it. But this is long term wealth that we're talking about using your own account.

So you might totally make fun of me for this. But the only reason I know about Ross is because I had one I had it seasoned and I almost went bankrupt. And I had to cash it out. Like I just fell on my face. I went from, you know, hero to zero in a 18 month timeframe. Just like

Got six, seven years ago. So the reason I just look back at it was season nearly had like 20 $25,000 in there. So I'm I did a couple investments out of it, and that worked out well. But

your parents could open up a Roth for them, you could help them invest. But just know that if you open up your own Roth, you can't touch that money until you're 59 and a half, right? Yep. Yeah, you can keep investing out of it free and treat it like a person. It's like a little like your little bank, when you you could only put so much in there. But once you have enough in there, I mean, dude, you could really, you could really build some wealth on it. It's like, it's crazy. Yeah, I mean, the nice thing is, it doesn't hit your 1040. Like, it's not showing up on your personal tax return, even if you're selling properties and getting gain or rental income, right. It's all just growing outside of anything you're sending to the IRS or your state. So, so it is different. The other thing people got to know though there are some called prohibited transactions. So like if you're buying real estate with your own retirement account, you're not staying at that property like this is not for personal use or benefit. This is held for investment purposes. Couple also can't like work on it. If it's a flipper or rehab type project, you can't go do the work on it, you got to hire third parties, and the retirement account pays it. They pay them. And they obviously you're getting the money on the income from whether it's rent or on the sell the property. Yeah, I remember taking me a little bit of time to understand it. But ultimately, like the way this helps you guys understand it is like you invest into this different business, that different business investing on your behalf at your direction. And you're just rolls around, you only put in so much. I did not know about the solo one. Yeah, I always. I didn't know about that at all. Like that's a huge deal, because I always thought it was six 6000 a year. And it was hard to build that kitty up to make some, you know, valuable investments. Yeah, yeah, it took me three years, like, you know, I knew everything about self directing, even before I started dumping money into my own retirement accounts. But it took me three years using a 401k strategy, because you can do more, you know, and I also self direct my Roth, but that, you know, sometimes it might take you five years to do a deal. Now, again, I have a client like the one I told you that can see a deal, like an option or a wholesale deal they can do for 5000 bucks. Yeah, like, that's not me, like I'm running two businesses and have 120 employees. I can't like, I don't have enough time to go in real estate. But if you're in the real estate space, and I have lots of clients, I was five or six grand you can wholesale a deal. Do you have a?

Do you have a buyer's list

that I can shop on for you?

Because that's really, really interesting.

Other so we have Roth IRA, the solo, one Ra, and then which can be Roth or traditional? You can either one in there, and the solo. The solo the Solo is the 401k. Yeah, it's called a solo 401k. Just solo Okay, for sure. So what would be if you let's close with this? If you are, what's your advice, like to an agent right now? How do you position it? Why did they do it? Just give me a

final tip on it. I think for an agent, this is like the perfect person for a self directed IRA or solo 401k. And why you you should know this. One is you're going to need to save for retirement yourself. Like most agents do not have a 401k at a company like you need a retirement account in a long term plan. Well, this is the best thing out there because you can invest in real estate, the stuff that you know, but also this makes you a super

valuable person, because this is an information and a skill and something you bring to the table that your clients want. You know, and I have, you know, I've done a lot of seminars at different real estate brokerages over the years. Everybody's like blown away. And how did I not know this? Like, it's crazy. I'm in the real estate space. A lot of people just don't even know you could do this. Well, once you learn it, and it's not rocket science, I tell people, it's like playing a board game. He's got to play it a few times with someone who knows what they're doing, or read the rulebook, which I would say is my book. But once you've done it a couple of times, it's the same thing over and over, it does take a little bit to learn. But now you have an advantage over those clients that are that are looking to use you where you can have a lot of knowledge and, and stuff that bring to the table then, and money that they can do deals with. You know, like the baby boomers are the classic ones right now that have large retirement accounts, they've moved around jobs, they can roll it over.

They are a perfect client that needs to know this information about how to buy real estate and they want to they just been through this roller coaster on the stock market, right? We're seeing deals that can happen in real estate. So I think it's a powerful concept for building wealth yourself because you have a competitive advantage to find deals that like I don't or other people don't. And also it's a skill set that you can bring to your customer base that can just make you more money today from commissions. We're actually just started this process in the office where with where agents have an opportunity to invest into a Roth as part of their Commission's grow, and we're just building a portfolio so

A lot of real estate agents are looking for ancillary income and looking for streams of income. So over in our office we have coming out soon as you can direct your own investments. And how it works is just you'd pick up much of your commission you want to put into it, everything is set up through a Roth, or through a custodian and all the above and, and it's beautiful, and we like it as a recruiting tool, but also is like to help the agents because not very few agents actually invest themselves.

Which is crazy, you got you shouldn't do what you you know, eat what you preach.

So like, but knowing this stuff is how you get there you guys, at the end of the day, I can't tell you how many good deals I've seen over my lifetime in real estate. And there's always like, Oh, I can't get that one now, because I gotta pass up on it being an agent you come across, at worst, maybe two or three home runs a year. That's all you need, dude, like you left for five years in a row. You're good, right? Yeah. So I tell my clients, probably with the Roth accounts is like those homeruns. You see, like the real estate developer I gave, he knew that was a little bit amount of money he did put down to get the option, little risk, but it could have a huge reward that he didn't want to pay tax on, he did it in a Roth account. So like, those are the ones it's like, I'm gonna grab that one and do it in my Roth. And it does just take a couple of those a year. So but I'll say this, you know, for my clients that but 10 million plus accounts, here's a little more pay more attention to what they're doing. First of all, most of them are in real estate, but they're all doing different strategies. It's, there's not one person to the same. They're all in different markets, some people are doing lending, some people are doing apartment buildings, some people are just doing a lot of little deals that add up but

but they just got good at doing what they know. You know, and they focused in on that. And they're using a tool that they can build tax free wealth with where they don't have to cut the IRS a check, you know, the, the dirty silent partner that doesn't do anything, but you know, once a third of whatever you take, take take take. I get it. Awesome, dude. Very cool. Any final things you want to say? Or you want to you have a you have a we got a gift or some you gotta like a little? Yeah, you're giving us that book for free guide? Yeah.

This is only 20 bucks, you know, but you can get on my website with the Matt sorenson.com and at SRN sen.com. But if you go to directed ira.com.

And click on real estate, we have our real estate quickstart guide, it's right on the homepage that you can download. That's really like a six pager that explains how it works. I have a lot of

my clients that use this real estate professionals that use it to give to their customers. Did you know about this, it's just a good overview of how it works and what's possible to get into this 30 trillion in US retirement accounts that can all be invested in real estate. I would there's a big opera a lot of these people are like looking to do other things right now guys, big up. And like this is just an email. And it's a case study how this how this single mom just generated a $250,000 tax free investment all because she had a 401 IRA. Here's how you do it that she is going to take off like it just does. It's really good. I like it. All right, dudes. Appreciate you guys listen another episode of the real estate marketing dude, you guys know where to find us? Go ahead and subscribe to our channels and us on Facebook IG and more importantly, don't forget to sign up for the content creator challenge we're going to show you over a two week time period how to script and distribute videos as well as create a ton of social media video email content, basically everything you need to stay in front of people, because 80% of them will use the first person they think of when they think of real estate this year. Is that going to be you? Well, you got to start creating content to lessen those chances. I'll see you guys next week. appreciate you listening in and see you then peace. Thank you for watching another episode of the real estate marketing dude podcast. If you need help with video or finding out what your brand is, visit our website at WWW dot real estate marketing dude.com We make branding and video content creation simple and do everything for you. So if you have any additional questions, visit the site, download the training, and then schedule a time to speak with the dude and get you rolling in your local marketplace. Thanks for watching another episode of the podcast. We'll see you next time.

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