No Place Left to Hide

Firewalls Don't Stop Dragons Podcast

Cameras are everywhere. Every person you pass on the street has a camera on their phone and security cameras are everywhere. They're so cheap and small now, and most of them are connected to the cloud. Not only does that mean they basically have unlimited storage, but it also opens the door for computers to process those images and footage looking for faces. Today, I'll speak with Nate Wessler from the ACLU about the implications of this technological perfect storm on our privacy and what rights we actually have today with regard to facial recognition and use of these systems by law enforcement. Nate Wessler is a deputy director with the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, where he focuses on litigation and advocacy around surveillance and privacy issues, including government searches of electronic devices, requests for sensitive data held by third parties, and use of surveillance technologies. Further Info ACLU suit against Clearview AI: https://iapp.org/news/a/aclu-files-class-action-vs-clearview-ai-under-biometric-privacy-law/Subscribe to the newsletter: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/newsletter/new-newsletter/Become a Patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons Would you like me to speak to your group about security and/privacy? http://bit.ly/Firewalls-Speaker Table of Contents Use these timestamps to jump to a particular section of the show. 0:01:41: DEF CON updates0:03:18: Interview start0:05:46: Carpenter v. US case0:10:13: What's my expectation of privacy in public spaces?0:17:30: Private right of action0:18:58: What rights do I have for online photos of me?0:21:54: Aren't we enabling facial recognition by tagging people?0:23:47: Is there any solution beyond regulation?0:27:16: Who is Clearview AI and what are they doing?0:32:24: ACLU's lawsuit win against Clearview AI0:38:57: Is it possible to limit this tech to just "the good guys"?0:43:00: This guy looks like Woody Harrelson!0:47:07: What about the good uses for this tech?0:53:09: What about 1-to-1 facial matching services?0:56:20: So what can we, as citizens, do about all of this?0:58:22: When should we reach out to the ACLU?1:00:26: Wrap up