Psychoanalysis applied outside the office.
Ranting and raving from the couch, Joe and Jeff talk about various pop culture topics. Usually the topics lean toward television, movies, video games, and the celebrity screwups du jour.
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Thoughts about Termination with Judy Kantrowitz, PhD
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"It’s very exhilarating to have shared an in-depth experience with another person the way you do as an analyst. You know the inner workings of people’s struggles, of their strengths, and of the things they overcome. We’re granted such a privilege to be part of someone’s’ world and to be able to help them get more freedom and more pleasure in that w…
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A Psychoanalytic COVID Workbook for Children in South Africa with Jennifer Davids, M.Sc.
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"The workbook contextualizes the child in his or her network. The idea being that the more the child has a supportive network and that they can use this network, the more they will be able to face the aspects of COVID-19. So it’s not only the illness and having people in the family who are ill or might have died, but also the other impacts of COVID…
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Psychoanalytic Curiosity and Boundaries with Philip Stokoe (London)
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"What kind of home [institute] have you got to live in? If you design a home, not as a refuge but where there is a place to be able to think, it’s a slightly different concept. I’m not going to hide you in this secondary container, but I am going to help you to think in this secondary container. Then it feels easier to turn to colleagues and be ope…
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A Psychoanalyst and Magic Moments: Working with Caregivers of Traumatized Children with Alexandra Harrison, M.D. (Cambridge, Mass.)
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"We, as analysts, really need to use our psychoanalytic understanding of the value of the inner life of every individual and of the value of growth and development that occurs in a relationship. We need to use that kind of knowledge to find alternative ways, other than the intensive treatment we offer in our offices, to reach those not only in deve…
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Episode 79: Shame, Guilt, and Ruminations with Donald Carveth, Ph.D. (Toronto)
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"Persecutory guilt is simply a form of self-attack, it is tormenting and it belongs to the paranoid schizoid position and it is narcissistic. People sometimes don’t fully recognize the narcissism in the paranoid-schizoid position, because it is in that position you are feeling hunted by predators… When we're in the depressive/reparative position ot…
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Episode 078: The Freuds in Vienna, 1933-38 with Ilana Offenberger, Ph.D.
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"Each one of these individuals who I interviewed, watched their testimony or read their last words in the desperate letters they wrote to Nazi agencies asking for a little more time to raise a little more money - each one of these individual Jews of Vienna who I came into contact with, brought me closer to my own roots, to my own grandparents who I…
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Episode #77: The Psychoanalyst in the Business World with Kenneth Eisold, PhD (New York)
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"By sitting down with me, they were really, in a way, forced to be more reflective, so I had only reflected back to them some of what they were saying and not paying attention to, but I think sitting with me encouraged them to be a little more reflective themselves. They would have to slow down because they were trying to attune to me as I was tryi…
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Episode 076: Torture, Rehumanization, and Psychoanalysis with Vladimir Jovic, MD, PhD
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“Every individual reaction was specific and idiosyncratic – it was absolutely related to the previous experience. Even the symptoms that were formed could be understood as the reaction to adult trauma but shaped according to a childhood experience.” Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Vladimir Jovic to today’s episode. Dr. Jovic is a psyc…
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Episode 075: Unconscious Communication within the Psychoanalytic Dyad with Marsha Hewitt, PhD
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"When you think about the analyst's reverie - we are in a session and something is happening, the patient is telling you something and your mind starts to drift - an image comes to your mind that just sticks and it won't let go. It may well be that something is happening to the patient that they cannot tell you because they don’t know. But it is st…
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Episode 074: Analyst Daughters of Famous Fathers Write Memoirs: A Conversation between Susan Mailer and Joan Wheelis, MD
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"My dad also revealed a lot of himself in his writing which made it difficult for me, because I also had the sense that I was looking into a private space that was his own. I wasn´t sure I really wanted to see it because it wasn´t always very nice and it wasn´t always very wholesome - most of the time it was very complicated.” (SM) “I grew up with …
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Episode 073: The Social Order and a Transgressive Psychoanalysis with Stephen Frosh, PhD.
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“There is a history of psychoanalysis and its relationship with political thought and even political action. There is clearly quite a strong historical tradition of a sort of rebelliousness on the part of psychoanalysis or at least a challenge to social mores, which I see as beginning right from the start and certainly as early as Freud’s 1908 pape…
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Episode 072: The Musicality of Psychoanalysis and the Psychoanalysis of Music with Roger Kennedy, MD
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“There is a musicality at the core of our emotional or affective life. It really goes back to early mother-infant communications or innate musicality, or what’s called ‘communicative musicality’ – the to-and-fro of the dynamic between mother and baby as really the core, the scaffolding of our emotional life.” Description: Dr.Harvey Schwartz welcome…
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Episode 071: Learning Psychoanalysis in the Time of COVID with Cindi Palman, MD
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“We all have misattunements - but when we are present together, sometimes we can have a misattunement with our words or our tone of voice, but we may not have a misattunement of our bodies, so we’re missing that one element when we are remote.” Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Cindi Palman to the podcast. Dr. Palman completed her medic…
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Episode #70: Psychoanalysis in Times of Crisis: A Psychoanalyst-Historian's Perspective with Eran Rolnik MD (Tel Aviv)
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"One of Freud’s letters to Ferenczi is a letter dated October 1918, just before the truce that ended World War I. And in this letter, Freud was responding to Ferenczi’s lament over the demise and disintegration of the monarchy, and his advice to Ferenczi went like this: “Withdraw your libido from your fatherland in a timely fashion and shelter it i…
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Episode 069: A Life in Academia, Anthropology, and Psychoanalysis with Robert Paul, PhD
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"There are things that arise in later life that have to do with the conflict of cultures that arises when you’re dealing with someone who either is an immigrant or is the child of immigrants. This is also the case with someone who comes from a family in the U.S. which is deeply conservative and religious and later breaks with that and subscribes to…
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Episode 068: The Fate of Magic in Psychoanalysis with Joel Whitebook, PhD
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"The goal is to find magic which is not psychotic, to find a form of magic which isn’t simply the denial of reality. The nonpsychotic form of magic is play. The analyst and the patient have to learn to be able to play together in that transitional realm." Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Joel Whitebook. Dr. Whitebook is a philosopher a…
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Episode 067: Creativity in the Analyst and Analysand in Times of COVID with Ilany Kogan
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“I think that the analyst has to be in touch with his anxiety in order to be able to understand the patient's anxiety. But he has to not be drowned in such anxiety in order to be able to be the helpful object.” Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Ilany Kogan, who is a Training and Supervisory Analyst at the Israel Psychoanalytic Society. She …
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Episode 066: Otherness, Anti-Semitism and Psychoanalysis with Dr. Werner Bohleber
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“It’s a big job to accept the otherness of the other. This places demands on the psychological processing of each individual to tolerate the otherness of the other. Therefore we often see regressive solutions when the other person’s otherness cannot be endured. Then ideal narcissistic states of purity and homogeneity are longed for.” Description: D…
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Episode 065: Psychoanalysis at the Interface of the Community and the Police with Steven Marans, Ph.D.
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"I hope that out of these tragedies there is an opportunity not only to express the intensity of our reactions but to get back down to the detailed business of understanding and unpacking the nature and contributions to the problems. We also can revisit and learn new solutions and achieve greater mastery. This is as much about the work that we do i…
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Episode 064: From Martin Luther King to Wall Street: Transitions In the Life of a Psychoanalyst: An Interview with Kathleen Pogue White Ph.D. (New York)
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“They changed my analysis, it went from ‘I’m not actually a patient I’m just a lump here, reporting’, to being a patient. I didn’t understand the work until after that conference at the Tavistock... It’s like I could take advantage of the opportunity I was having to speed along. My analyst wrote a paper with two other analysts about their experienc…
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Episode 063: Tiempo Especial. Un tiempo de Juego Para los Niños y Jóvenes de las Calles con Mónica Cardenal, Ph.D. (Special Time. A Time to Play for Children and Young People Living in the Street with ...
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"Nuestra propuesta de trabajo a la institución fue la de implementar la puesta en marcha de un espacio de juego y producción individual para los niños y jóvenes llamado Tiempo Especial. Todas las observaciones recogidas por el educador en ese encuadre luego son discutidas en la modalidad de grupo de Discusión de Trabajo, es decir, de aplicación de …
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Episode 062: History and Psychoanalysis: Reflections with Peter Loewenberg, PhD
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"Historians have had to learn to explore their own subjectivity in dealing with the past. They can only see what they are prepared to see and they have frequently blocked out, scotomized, what they really don’t want to see. This is part of the current struggle in the history profession" Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Peter Loewenberg…
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Episode 061: A Report from Calcutta and the Changing Role of Women in Psychoanalysis with Jhuma Basak, PhD
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"The schools of thought differed very strongly. The Calcutta school primarily belonged to the classical Freudian school of thought whereas Bombay worked from a very structured Tavistock model which they have been following for a very long time. In Dehli we find the Ericksonian model. These cites developed these models as a result of their connectio…
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Episode 060: Reflections on a Life in Psychoanalysis, Psychiatry, and Academia with Robert Michels, M.D
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"I don't think you derive technical rules or interpretive strategies from theory. I think that what we do instead is to try to be open-minded, available and resonant with what’s happening in the world of the patient and try to maintain a rich world of associational potentials in the back of our mind" Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Ro…
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Episode 059: Narcissism and Leadership, Revisited with Michael Maccoby Ph.D. (Washington, DC)
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“I went back looking at one of the qualities of leadership we need particularly now during a pandemic, I went back to Thucydides and Athens and I found Pericles’ funeral narration made during the destructive pandemic that hit Athens.” Description: In times when we are all facing a crisis of unprecedented proportion, we are going change the focus of…
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Episode 058: 'To Make a Meaningful Life': Reflections on a Life in Psychoanalysis with Melvin Bornstein, MD
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“Once we put things together and express them to somebody, something happens. We become more alive - because we are expressing what we are expressing in terms of what is real and what is real is not static. What is real is continuously moving and what is real is the experience of everything moving and everything changing from minute to minute.” Des…
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Episode 057: A Report from Moscow and the Role of Denial with Lola Komarova, Ph.D.
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"Some patients are quite happy being in their internal world - maybe the government is too, they’re in one world and people can be in the other. The patients live in one world and what is happening outside doesn’t bother them very much. It is about the avoidance of contact, the avoidance of the other " Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. …
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Episode 056: Current Uncertainties, Authoritarianism, and the Fathering Function with Claudio Laks Eizirik, MD, PhD
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“In Western countries there was a certain reduction in the importance of the father. I think there is a confusion here between the importance of the father or at least the father function with the authoritarian father, the patriarchal father, that figure that arouses so much suspicion and reactions against.” Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcome…
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Episode 055: Novel and Traditional Approaches to Teaching Psychoanalysis with Lawrence Blum, MD
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“One can actually teach development using literature by Dr. Seuss, Beverly Cleary, Maurice Sendak, Margaret Wise Brown - all of these great authors of children’s literature. What I have done is created a course where these are paired with case reports from the child psychoanalytic literature, so one hears directly the experience, the words, the pla…
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Episode 054: 'There's a Real Person in There': Reflections on a Life in Psychoanalysis with Warren Poland, MD
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“After I had been practicing analysis for 50 years, I asked myself: What was the most important thing I learned in those 50 years? It took me a lot of time to learn the obvious: the patient is somebody else.” Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Warren Poland, who is a psychoanalyst in private practice in Washington DC. Dr. Poland is a for…
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Episode 053: A Report from Cape Town and South African Psychoanalysis with Armien Abrahams, MA
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“Transformation is a kind of buzz word and it’s not just some economic and sociopolitical transformation. Indeed, it is about transforming the inner self as well and psychoanalysis is well placed to face these challenges.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Armien Abrahams who is a Training Analyst at the South African Psychoanalytic Association…
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Episode 052: A Report from New York and on Institute Life During the Pandemic with David Frank, MD
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“It's the people of the institute that are with us whenever we are doing our work, silently humming in the background. We are constituted by our colleagues.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. David Frank, who is a Training and Supervising psychoanalyst at the Psychoanalytic Association of New York (PANY) which is affiliated with the NYU Sch…
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Episode 051: COVID-19 and Treatment: Moments of Existential Maturation with Linda Emanuel, MD
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"I think people are feeling intimate in a way, strangers are feeling intimate, about what is important in life and what is important about what we leave behind. It is a very precious thing to be feeling and something we should hold on to." Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Linda Emanuel for the second time to this podcast. On the first epis…
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Episode 050: A Report from Bilbao with Cristina Escudero
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“The importance of inner ideas, fantasies, develop from the unconscious. Reality is important but not conclusive. We perceive and conceptualize reality with our unconscious. So let’s give the unconscious more than ever during this crisis its place, and keep the intention to listen to the unconscious with our patients.” Description: Harvey Schwartz …
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Episode 049: A Report from Tel Aviv with Yael Samuel, PhD
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“In this period with the Coronavirus and even during the wars, I don’t think that the relationship between me and the patient is symmetric even if we have to face the same external dangers. The relationship continues to be asymmetric - I manage the treatment, I decide the setting, I continue to be the analyst.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes…
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Episode 048: Current Pandemic Trauma in Relation to Childhood Trauma with Bernard Chervet, MD
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“The feeling of strangeness because of the emptiness and the weight of the silence, the immobilization of everything. This immobilization is one of the signs of the traumatic situation in the psychic life - we can think of the dream of the Wolf Man.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Bernard Chervet who is a psychiatrist and a Full Member a…
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Episode 047: A Report from Buenos Aires and the IPA with Virginia Ungar, MD
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“When you have analytic training, the analytic attitude is internalized and you need to fit and keep it as well as being aware of when you lose it. As a result of this loss you will be receiving a sign from the countertransference. This is the motivation and passion for psychoanalysis.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Virginia Ungar, who …
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Episode 046: Psychoanalysis, Leadership and the Pandemic: An Interview with Kerry Sulkowicz, President-elect ApsaA
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“There is not just one pandemic right now, there are really two concurrent pandemics. The first one is the pandemic of the virus, but the second one that is closely tied to the first is a pandemic of anxiety. I want to be really clear that I am not just using that as a figure of speech, I am actually quite serious about that, I think anxiety is rea…
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Episode 045: A Report from Lisbon with Ana Catarina Duarte Silva, PhD
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“Our very specific analytic listening can be used to understand how this external terrible situation is reactivating their internal anxieties and for that we try to confine the suffering to the here and now of the phone call.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Ana Catarina Duarte Silva to this episode. Dr. Duarte Silva is a psychoanalyst an…
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Episode 044: A Report from Tehran with Shahrzad Hashemi, MA
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“I think that it is even creating more intimacy because they see that you are afraid too and if you are not afraid to say that you are afraid, and you are not too afraid to talk about it, and that is a good opportunity to talk about many fears.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Shahrzad Hashemi to this episode. She is a psychoanalytic psychoth…
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Episode 043: A Report from Paris with Marilia Aisenstein
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“When the patient is in danger because he is physically ill, or the analyst is in danger because he is physically ill, like with the current situation, the analytic work needs a community of denial.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Marilia Aisenstein to this episode. Marilia Aisenstein is a training analyst at the Paris Psychoanalytical Socie…
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Episode 042: A Report from Warsaw with Wojtek Hanbowski
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"I feel terribly isolated not seeing my patients face to face, not seeing them in my consulting room. Also, you know, the work with students in all these internet platforms is possible but it is pretty difficult." Description: In times when we are all facing a crisis of unprecedented proportion, we are going change the focus of the podcast: we will…
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Episode 041: Report from Milan with Simonetta Diena, MD
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“We don’t know when it is going to end, it’s an endless story, and this is the worry… Will everything come back to normality? In the beginning, we thought it would, but now we think nothing will ever be the same.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes you to the 41st episode of Psychoanalysis On and Off the Couch In these times when we are all faci…
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Episode 040: How Psycho-Oncology Informs an Approach to the Covid-19 Crises with Norman Straker, MD
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“The experience that we are all feeling of ‘Are we or are we not subject to or have we been in contact with someone who might have Corona that eventually might result in our developing an infection?´ is very much the same as a cancer patient who has gone for investigation of some kind of lesion which is yet unknown and to be further diagnosed and b…
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Episode 039: IQ Improvement Resulting from Psychoanalytically Informed Reflective Network Therapy with Dr. Gilbert Kliman
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“Reflective network therapy is literally an application of child analysis in the real-life setting of a preschool.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Gilbert Kliman a child and adult psychoanalyst who has focused his career on providing measurable outcomes from his clinical work, which he discusses in this episode. Dr. Kliman has a Distingu…
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Episode 038: A Psychoanalyst Studies 'Why is it easier to get mad than it is to feel sad?' with Leon Hoffman
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Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Leon Hoffman, who is a Training Analyst, and a child, adolescent and adult Psychoanalyst at the New York Psychoanalytic Society and Institute, and he is also the Co-Director of the Pacella Research Center. Dr. Hoffman is the Chief Psychiatrist and Psychoanalyst at the West End Day School in New York City and he is the C…
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Episode 037: Psychotropic Drugs and Analysis — Chances and Limits of Synergy with Prof. Dr. Joachim Küchenhoff
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“The guiding principle in using psychopharmacology within psychoanalytic treatment is to see under which circumstances and how far the patient’s autonomy and the patient’s feeling of agency is well preserved. Or you might speak of the degrees of freedom enabled or being hindered by the use of pharmacology.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr.…
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Episode 036: An Analyst Writes a Memoir with Susan Mailer
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“I have inner permission to write the memoir and to work through the contradictions and the difficulties that I might have, and not have a Greek chorus in my head telling me: You can't do this.” Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Susan Mailer to today’s episode. Susan is an American born psychoanalyst who grew up in Mexico and has lived in Chile…
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Episode 035: In-Classroom Psychoanalytic Therapy of Preschoolers in a Native American Community with Kathryn McCormick
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"Through the process of mentalization and empathic resonance sharing the child really begins to experience the process of learning, to trust which is absolutely foundational, and begins to count on being valued, begins to count on being listened to, held in mind, reflected back to and ultimately really cared about and loved." Description: Harvey Sc…
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Episode 034: Psychoanalytic Perspectives in Mental Health Administration, with Humberto Persano, MD.
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“Attachment theory is a psychoanalytic theory that extended its field to the neurosciences, to clinical trials, and to behavioral observations such as going to the schools and seeing teachers and children together. We can observe children's' behavior and use psychoanalytic theory to understand them allowing us to detect problems even in infancy.” D…