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Curious Creatures

Lol Tolhurst & Budgie

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Hosts Lol Tolhurst (The Cure) and Budgie (Siouxsie and the Banshees) explore post punk's enduring legacy and contemporary relevance. Lol and Budgie welcome luminaries from all walks of life for revealing, yet relaxed conversation. Audience questions are answered at the end of each episode.
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Welcome to the society of Curious Creatures. I'm your host Chantel and here I dive deep into the unknown and explore urban legends, unsolved mysteries, and paranormal stories. On YouTube you can watch me as I design a new a page for my curious creatures book of shadows and explore the deep dark unknown. If you are interested in intriguing stories and soft-spoken ASMR then this may be the podcast for you. Want to connect with me? - Instagram Want to support the channel? -Check out my Psycholo ...
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Intense but Brief! Lisa Gerrard followed by Liz Fraser Peter in Heaven with the Cocteau Twins Artwork for Goth and 4AD - Football is The Key Surely not - Australian rules football of course! Wheeltappers and Shunters Clubs! 3 gigs a night and it all paid off Budgie’s clubland experience leads the way The Essence of Punk was to throw away the rule b…
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Carpets and Bass Drums! Strokes of Luck that Changed our Lives The Cure became Judges with a bunch of Fives We all took numbers, and we all took a Name They were all unreadable when the next day Came The Journey is The Thing! Does anyone know the Way? There’s got to be a way Fake it to Make it, then Lock it away The Highs and Lows that made it Work…
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Affairs of The Heart - an American Thing! Shifting perspectives, but Who Are We? When Confronted with the Evidence, What Is Reality? Everyone was there Except, the one Telling the Story! Every Picture tells a Story – but is it TRUE? How Do We keep Sane? Uphill both ways and lots of Old Man Sheet! We’re Still on the Road – Who’s making The Coffee? G…
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Los Angeles Goes Out - Not Up! Reinvigoration and we’re running up that hill, But are we in the wrong sort of bungalow – Bill? It was pots and pans and party time when Nabil was only two! Happy House on Top of the Pops showed Budgie’s Ratamacue! Drum lessons on the roof – of the National Geographic! Inside the Hallowed world of the drummer’s secret…
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Love it to Death! Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, and Led Zeppelin too Adam Ant, B.A.D., Def Leppard and Yazoo? All vying for airtime in Great Falls Montana Would Lol’s Studded catsuit have raised a Hosanna? Hey, What do You Do? What is it that makes Reggie choose to risk all? When counting a song in, could make a heart stall It’s not a choice, it’s t…
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Springtime for Ex-Pats and Germany! It’s a Top Techno scene, with a strict Social Etiquette The clubs are all clean, since they outlawed the cigarette You can do what you want, but you can’t do it here The clubs are all great, but it helps if they’re Queer! Make way for the Dancing Disco Queens! Gay clubs for young punks, were the only safe places …
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1st Gush. It’s all Greek in Brackets. Tokyo in stereo to the spirit of Ghosts. The sample debate and the bones of contention continue. No loops or samples except of ourselves. We get going as human beatboxes. 2nd Gosh. Are drums electric? Are drummers eclectic? Voices on the Air? We got Wooden Teeth! Ladies and Gentlemen, we give you The Sonic Poem…
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‘Butch - He got the Hooks!’ Topper Headon – He got the Grooves Inspiration and Collaboration Clash! Butch got that magic Snare Fill! But our Hats go Off to Topper Headon! 'Butch as President of The Roxy Music fan club!’ King of the Fills? – Roxy’s Paul Thompson Caution the New drummer - Don’t Forget Those Hooks!! Phil Manzanera - a Guitarist on Fir…
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Bill or George, Anything but Sue! Clyde Stubblefield always arrived early Clyde made a so-so kit sound Great! How do the Greats sound the Way they Do? It’s all about Recognising the Good Mistakes! 3am Insomnia and the IQ Tour drop! Hey Butch, what’s on the Weather Channel tonight? How’s Your Bed of Nails this Evening? Shirley is a Natural Born Road…
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Phase 1. In which The Cramps’ Brian Gregory, gets on the Banshees’ tour bus outside the I-Beam in San Francisco and asks, “Was anyone in Liverpool not cool?” A Dark devilish spirit with feet like Merce Cunningham. Phase 2. In which Billy McKensie spares Lol from Death in Venice. Billy in The Cure’s penthouse for Faith singing songlines from another…
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‘Fanfares and Tears’ Pan as Magician of Inspiration Brings Joy and Melancholy by Transmogrification Pan gets Deeper then Deeper than Deep! ‘Digging in the Dirt - to find the Places we got Hurt’ ‘Prepare for the Big Reveal’ In front of the TV Going through Puberty Fluorescent Erotica as Manhood dawns Between the Adult and the Child Lies the Hissing …
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Brutality! Everything fitting as we’re thrashing about Looking for Clues as we Twist and Shout California dreaming no Communication Breakdown Lol knocks a beat out and we go Downtown! Religion! 20 seconds Over Babaluma It’s Metal Machine Madness Who’s in the Big box? Drums and Love are All around And a Dancebeat! Is Bigger better or is Better Bigge…
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Dream (a Little Dream of Tea!) Shopping Mall testimonials, but.. Lol just wants to buy a shirt! Recognition comes when you least expect it Budgie’ll name that song in Three!!! Fame (What you Need You Have to Borrow!) On the Way Up or On the Way Down? How is that Old Band of Yours? My Grandad Loves you guys Fred Incognito in Las Vegas Liverpool (She…
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The Boys to Entertain You! TV Pirates at Midnight! Fred was Envious of High-Class English chocolate Time for the Test card and a little light Music Rattle Your Jewellery at The London Palladium The Only house on the block with Colour TV First Drum Kits! Where did we hide them? Budgie’s patent Caterpillar dampening system Lol’s kit Hidden in Robert’…
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Bands, commitments, and brilliant haircuts Thurston Moore and Romantic Fantasy Driving and dreaming of being a band Or a solo career on the Canyon Grand The Cure climbed out over Niagara Falls. The Banshees below in yellow Sou’westers Happy memories for the Xmas cards Covered in spray when both stopped to Play ‘One could have it all!’ says Budgie, …
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CONNECT WITH US: Curious Creatures: Website: https://curiouscreaturespodcast.com Facebook: @CuriousCreaturesOfficial Twitter: @curecreatures Instagram: @CuriousCreaturesOfficial Lol Tolhurst: Website: https://loltolhurst.com Facebook: @officialloltolhurst Twitter: @LolTolhurst Instagram: @lol.tolhurst Budgie: Facebook: @budgieofficial Twitter: @TuW…
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Brutalism! Expression, impressions and Thrashing About Body and Rhythms - finding the Space Favourite guitarists are all really Bad Everything sounding off-kilter and never in Place Joy as an Act of Resistance! Impact and choosing the Moment Being Quiet to being Profound Convergence from Differing Influences Drums are Preferred All round Ultra Mono…
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Uh Oh – Here We Go! Writing a song usually takes So Long Jacknife had a melody and the music was strong Arrow had ideas for words on her Phone She Dived in Fearless and Created The Zone Ch-Ch Ch-Ch Ch-Ch Ch-Ch Cherry Bomb! Arrow started out as A Drummer And knew the Drummer’s Importance Lol could have sung like Joe Strummer But Arrow’s Passion was …
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25 years after the event he would be free. On his porch in Portland, Oregon Destroying the wood. Looking legit in the jail jumpsuit Banging cans and smashing cars up In the rage room Remodeled his kitchen with a bowling ball A disaster Issac was as excited about singing on our record as were we having him on the record Steve Severin's dance the Mus…
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One of us changed - One stayed the same Let’s start at the very beginning The Spirit and Magic of it A Simple process - A Breakdown of Sorts Boom Boom Boom Boom Time after time after time after time Composite born of Scribbles and Noise Three Ideas with Strange Titles Begat Three lyrics and Melodies Lol’s Impersonation of a Small dog My nervous sys…
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Exploding Suburban Myths Feminism, Formica and Friends Watch the curtains twitch for a brand-new switch Another music from a different day-glo kitchen Myriad, misogynistic, moustachioed men GermFree Adolescents! Poly’s lyrics reach out across time Don’t touch me please I can’t take the wants and needs! Poly sings Love songs and laments for the voic…
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The Day The World Turned Day-Glo Celeste made a Film about her Mum Poly Styrene Six years in the Making ‘Twas A Labour of Love Clearing Permissions like Pulling Hen’s Teeth We Share the Frustration, the Push and the Shove GermFree Adolescents! Poly Adored Señor Salvador Dali His Port Lligat studio a Pilgrimage Place Young Lol’s French Girlfriend pa…
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Who’s That Girl? Concentric Circles and Avoiding Repetition When The World Shutdown The Questioning Began Bethany had a Life Changing Awakening On-Screen-Only Relationships! Ice-Cold Bitch and Her July Jacket Bethany has some Secret Tea to Spill! Be Whatever You Want to Be! What’s Through Your Keyhole? Balancing Real Relationships! Space, Space, Sp…
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How Much do you Do in Your car? Bethany lives in Her car - Bethany Loves LA! Lol loves LA too – LA has always looked after him Budgie thinks LA must love him too LA Keeps Calling him Back! Rent-A-Wreck! Budgie rents his first car in LA! Pick ‘n Mix of Environments Lol wants a Bolt Hole in the Desert Music was In the Stars for Bethany as a Young Pun…
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Can AI make a Hit Record? Drummers talk about anything but Drumming Two of the Singers on Los Angeles are Drummers All we got to do is Act Naturally Things the Industry didn’t Understand Will new Technology Change Music Appreciation? More Means More! We love and Embrace Computers We love and Embrace Individuality We love and Embrace Cohesive Collab…
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Neil Diamond put Stones in Jacknife’s shoes Musicians with No Stations - Anyone can do Anything Jacknife loves The Cure and The Banshees and Drums (We’re off to a Good Start!) Artists willing to Alienate - to do what they want! The Gender Change Box – Expanding the Arsenal! Documenting Discovery – Being a Band - Not a Brand The Cure’s 1st album was…
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Jacknife never remembers the big moments. Q. Why are we so busy? A. We have an album coming out! Blatant Plug: Los Angeles: The Album: November 3rd! Jacknife enjoys teams but was never a joiner Overcome by FOMO - The pandemic begat TIME! Two Drummers and a Producer - Two Turntables and a Microphone Budgie met Jacknife in Berlin on Bono’s no expense…
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Let me in - I’m in the band! It goes like this: Lol - Newcastle Holiday Inn – Sauna – Towel – Door – Fire Escape – Reception – Room-Key! Wayne - Bristol - Liverpool - Leeds – London – California – Brazil – Love - 20 Years! Lol – California – Home - 30 Years Ago - Home is Where the Ticker Tocks . The Circus was Excitement when we Moved from where we…
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Budgie plays his Big Bass Harp The Cult and Subbuteo keep everyone Sharp Introducing a Liverpool theme You’ll Never Walk Alone, now choose your team! Lol delivered Newspapers for 25 Bob Delivering milk was Wayne’s other Job The Beeb Top 40 on Sundays recorded 5 Pounds a week a new album afforded David K Jones had a Brian Connolly haircut Young Budg…
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Like Indian musicians, we tuned together Stroboscopic Tuners, revealed that we never Played a gig in Concert pitch - whatever. New drumheads were stolen Boiled bass strings saved money Pitch Pipes were our first harmonicas Riding White Swans We were Kids of the Revolution Thank the gods for glam and David Bowie The Sweet at the I-Beam and their 3-p…
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My 1st is in Punk but Never in Junk My 2nd is in Museum but never in Mausoleum My 3rd is a Shop of Tartan punk Underwear My 4TH is Shock of Electric Blue Head Hair Who am I? Lol has the stuff the Hall of Fame Loves Stan Laurel jokes follow Budgie like Doves Lol sounds Australian? Mike’s a Bostonian! We love San Francisco and the fog on The Bay We l…
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Sad story for our friend in Turkey but we remain positive for a good end. Lol and Budgie hopped with Joy to see the Kodo drummers in concert Budgie met Kodo Principal Leonard Eto via prog rock legend Hoppy Kamiyama Leo and Budgie drummed and Hoppy vibed with Chaos tapes and the Hai! album was born In 1977 The Clash drummer Nicky ‘Topper’ Headon was…
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Heavy Rotation for The Siouxsie Bus Party Linton Kwesi-Johnson - Forces of Victory Psychedelic Furs - India NIN - Pretty Hate Machine London’s Satellite Towns Swingin’ - Dodgy Policing the Numbskulls Mr Murphy with his baseball bat “Oi, cut it out son or your brown bread.” “Sorry Guv I’ll be leaving then.” Robert’s Red Vinyl Box Simon and Kate Bush…
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Machine Gunners’ Ear No Elvis, Beatles, or The Rolling Stones in 1977 Bad brains, Minor Threat and Fugazi - at 14! Washington DC’s 9:30 Club, The Black Cat and Washington Plaza The Walkmen cometh in 2000 Eric’s Club matinee, it’s a drive-in Saturday, lots of creativity from NYC In A Forest or In Dust, the Walkmen place their trust, in the Siouxsie-…
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‘The people I remember…’ Mutual respect, the Bloc Party had Kele and collaborators, what’s good and what’s bad Together on tour, but then things change Russell ‘n Kele retain musical respect Musical Respect is a necessary thing Banshees Guitarists, All the Young Johns Spizz oil and the Banshees, It’s a Family Affair Kele and James Murphy and their …
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Concentric Circles of Life and the Nightmare of Brexit Kele from London via Edinburgh and Liverpool Budgie in France, London and Berlin Lol in the USA for 25 years Old UK market towns when the pubs are closed Would anyone want a return to 70’s England? Out of Brussels - Nefarious reasons? Strawberries full of chemicals? Capitalism - Free labour? Bi…
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Invisible Darlings - Fast piano Harpsichord music - Gregorian chant Pioneer days - with the Avant Garde We needed friends - Americans are friendly! Sleep? luxury - no sleep ‘til Hammersmith! Steak and Shake lady - Rambling about Lions Daniel’s den - Puts him in a better mood Lol and Budgie - protected from the banter Years of drumming makes hearing…
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Circuit Bending- Can you Feel it? Krautrock’s influence – Faust, Neu! and Amon Düül II Budgie mimics the white noise intro of Hawkwind’s ‘Silver Machine’ Lol moves from drums to keys and an early Apple Mac The Cure still Luddites for Pornography Live OMD and Echo and The Bunnymen Budgie gave The Bunnymen a cymbal Lol and Budgie and the Punk revolut…
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Wild is the Wind & Vulnerability Budgie is Shirley’s all-time favourite Drummer of her all-time favourite Band! Budgie Blushes in glorious Surround-Sound When Garbage played their first London show in 1995 Budgie was moshing in the pit with Banshees’ Billy Chainsaw Shirley felt as overwhelmed as Budgie did by Bowie Golden Years 30 Big ones and Shir…
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Manifesting - Liberation for Your Soul! Changing is Challenging - Crazy and Uncomfortable Letting go of everything - Accelerate the Spiritual Meg finds less companionship – and a big shift in people’s attitudes Finding a better way – with People that heal Budgie experiences healing - Negating Negativity As we get better, better things happen Lol is…
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I am Not the Body. Meg found ‘Running up That Hill’ after 2nd album tour burn-out had an Overwhelming realization - that the Universe had her back 36 years surviving dissociation from her body the change is that the challenge is now happening for her, not to her No more people pleasing – an Evolution into a Safer space an epiphany of self-realizati…
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Lol’s Spare HoF Statuette The NIN drum throne came free again Beck’s groovy tune was keeping us sane! The Youngest to be in the Hall of Fame Says, ‘Two or Two Hundred the Energy’s the same’ Bob needed convincing and nothing less Lol asked Trent and Trent said Yes! TOTP not OGWT If we didn’t do Top of The Pops someone awful would. Did Talvin see Bud…
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When not on tour Ilan is at his mixing desk No exercise for young Lol - now he loves the gym The Cure main man does not - (Unless he pumps at night) Lol was a man of extremes - Smoking was his hardest stop Budgie sent a taxi for his ciggies - and sometimes ate a Porky-Pie (Or was that his drum co.?) No gaffe tape on Budgie’s drums Instantaneous? Bu…
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The first time may be exciting, but it sucks the life out of everything. It's the druggist’s dilemma - missing stuff when young Lush stopped and Everything changed It's good the world changed too. Early 90’s Game Changers Life without a safety net, no gold watch Lol found his Inner Chuck Berry in South America Miki Liked that and Budgie’s drumming …
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Miki as Unsettled global traveller Miki as Chameleon in retreat Miki and band as family What the industry wants, the public gets. Miki angered by press with no vision for female fronted bands For the lack of imagination to talk to a band with interesting corners Britop was a return to the bad of the 70’s with image and marketing dictating TOTP and …
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Miki and Budgie met a long time ago – was it after a Curve show? Miki with Red hair, Budgie with blonde they were a good Match! Struck up many enlightening conversations!! The lost evenings with Donald - hairdresser to the stars. Budgie drank in Heaven (Underneath the Arches) Picked up a date but didn’t realise it, Not green, but pleasant, especial…
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It was The Birthday Party’s 1st London gig When Budgie gate-crashed their dressing room The party was a witty one from midnight ‘til Dawn Melting in the daylight at 7am, all bright and scrubbed. Editing for K-Tel specials, Nick fearlessly edits the multi-track vertically AND horizontally! Lol bought ‘The Lamb’, with a scratch that jumped in time - …
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Lol in Tasmania small and cool. Damien Hirst diamonds and Berlin fish Fool Kevorkian death blanket is the best in show Medical flip-flops in the house of Ringo. Virgin Townhouse & Hedges’ Battery. Nick and Phil Collins in drum-fill Flattery Terry Chambers and XTC – in Another Green World lives a young Budgie Nick began life in Southern Spain – move…
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When Life was bad - only music will save Lol & Robert see the Stranglers together Worship at the thrones of Tama and Zildjian Lols first kit - took years to buy! Budgie’s first kit has a facelift for Cut Meet the creme de la creme of Liverpool misfits Hansa signed The Cure for the way they looked Julianne is transformed when playing live Budgie lov…
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Julianne and Budgie in Making Music Mag. No Makeup - No Instruments - No Agenda Disco 45 Mag was Lol’s fave Cure cover Song-Words Mag was Budgie’s 10p bible Glossy Crawley Colour - Grim Black & White up North Streets of gold or fairy slides in Glass walls? 18 with Permed hair - Elvis Presley or Tony Curtis? Lol was in Thin Lizzy with his Blue Velve…
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